Davidson/Pain..Dunoon ...Mystery Man?

[chrissy]

Hello everyone...
   How are we all today"
  just as you think all is just dandy...up pops mystery man!
  I stumbled on him,just  looking for someone else...any advice or ideas,most welcome" ..Here we go....
  Scotland 1861 cencus..dunoon....
  I have always thought of martha pain/john Davidson..dunoon as my first davidson marriage in scotland...but..
  Martha Pain.. b..aprox 1810 ireland aged 51..widow of John Davidson.(john died 1855 dunoon.)
Children..william..19
 henry 14
marion11
 james 8.
  residing at...16 st jas st dunoon.

..Then..i found"HIM;!!!!!
  1861 scot cencus..dunoon...
 Matthew Pain..aged 51  b ireland.labourer ,born 1810.
residing at 15 st jas st dunoon.
As on cencus..
Matthew pain,,head.
william davidson pain..19 
henry davidson pain..14
marion davidson pain..14
henry davidson pain....8.


they are other names on cencus..appear to be lodgers.

 I have another marriage in 1he 1860/70s,for martha..to james galbraith.
  any help greatfully received...cheers
  from chrissy xx

[MonicaL]

Hi Chrissy

Is this info from the original image of the household entries from SP or from Ancestry's transcription of the census? Similarities are too strong. The Henry, 8, that you show for Matthew's son actually shows as James, again matching Martha's household 

Is the James Galbraith who shows as lodger the future husband of Martha? Their marriage shows on IGI on 01 FEB 1864 in Dunoon, Martha indexed as Penn.

Monica 

[chrissy]

hi monica
 this is from ancestry..oops I meant james, on matthews return.
  I too wondered if this was martha's hubby to be james galbraith.
 I did have the death cert for martha from s/p om the puter,but lost all my images due to computer blow up.
yes she was said to be a penn..i think her father was thomas and mum was martha motherwell.
         chrissy.x

[chrissy]

me again..
   on 1861...martha was listed as 51 yrs,james as 38???

[MonicaL]

Hi Chrissy

There does seem to be at least a 10 yrs difference betweeen Martha and husband James Galbraith. I think this is them in 1871:

Martha D Galbraith 60, head, Lodginghouse Keeper b. Ireland
James Galbraith 50, husband, Labourer In Gardens b. Ireland
James Cooper 28, lodger b.Coatbridge, Lanarkshire

Address: Blackpark Davidson's Cott, Dunoon

Monica

[chrissy]

hi monica
  yep..thats them...never really paid attention to the age gap before!could very well be him.
  whats got me...is who is this matthew pain???
  love chrissy

[MonicaL]

I think Matthew is a ghost and doesn't exist 

Seriously, I think you need to look at the original. I would guess that Martha has been entered in error as Matthew Pain rather than Martha. She probably shows under her maiden name and her children are Davidson. Again, the transcription of it has probably read ditto under Pain which is why the children show under Davidson Pain.

There is also no Martha Pain showing on the index on SP, just a Matthew Pain 

Monica

[Ann Baker]

Chrissy

I went and had a look for this after we spoke in chat other night. I agree with Monica!

Having thought about this often the name Matthew is pronounced as Mattha which in my accent sounds not unlike Martha.

The kids match up except for their place of birth with those I found for you before. You know they were born in Scotland so the Ireland entry apart from Martha is a red herring I think.

There's no census for a Martha in 1861. I think there is no mystery man - just a very misleading ennumerator!

Ann