Sadleirs in Tipperary

[Colin Salter]

Hi mm,
No, all my info on Kingswells/Sadleirswells is from internet searches - that site and couple of other hints. Are you or your cousins related to Sadleirs or Massys at all, or were they just living in the house? Shame it got demolished, but when things are too far gone, what else can you do? My other ancestral Irish big house was Blessington House, which is now underneath a brand new shopping centre and dormitory town for Dublin apparently - when I went a few years ago you could still see the landscaping of the grounds, although the building was long gone.
All the best,
Colin in Edinburgh

[monemore]

Thanks, Colin.

Sorry no relation to either family that I'm aware of. 

The Irish Land Commission probably were involved in dividing up the estate.

Have you seen this site?
http://www.irelandgenweb.com/~irltip/townlands/Sadleirswells.htm

I am not sure if the 3rd pic is the same house??

mm

[Colin Salter]

It's the greenhouses for the same house! The tree on the right of the 2nd pic is the same as the tree on the left of the 3rd - you can overlap them and get the orginal one picture they talk about. Somewhere online I found an aerial survey of the grounds which clearly shows that curving driveway to the house.

[monemore]

Hi Colin,

Many thanks for the additional information.  Is that a pond in the foreground in front of the greenhouse?

So it would appear that the Wheeler Massy family were still there until 1901 and Major G. H. Pomeroy Colley (Tipperary magistrate) was living there in 1911.  Major Colley married in 1906 and died in 1923 at the age of 53.  How long did he live there for, any idea?

mm

[Colin Salter]

No, sorry, I don't know about the Colleys although I think I am related to the Massy in question as well as to RWR Sadleir. Very small circle, that Protestant Ascendancy lot!

[Marion_C]

Hello,

I am wondering if someone can tell me the relationship between John Sadleir of Shronell the disgraced financier and John Sadleir of Brookville, who went to Oz and caught Ned Kelly.  I am not related to the Sadleir family, so I hope no-one will mind me popping up on this thread to ask, but I have been reading about John Sadleir the banker recently and the connection interested me. 

Many thanks,

Marion

[richard sadleir]

Hi Marion. Although I started this chat some years ago I am afraid I have been a bad boy and have rarely checked back. However, by mere coincidence I saw your enquiry today  New Years Day here in NZ !!!
The connection that you are after is as follows
in 1665/6/7  a John Sadler lived in Ballyryan, Sollohodmore just north of Tipperary town. he is a shadowy figure who seems to be have a descendant of the famous Sir Ralph Sadleir but that is another story.
John had four sons.. John,Richard,Clement and Samuel. The first descent you are interested in goes as follows :
Clement ( Ballintemple)
  his son was Clement William ( Shrone Hill)
  his son was William ( Shrone Hill )
  his son was Clement ( Shrone hill ) married an RC heiress Joanna Scully
  so descendants are RC.
  he had four sons including John the banker and swindler and James who also fiddled the books !!

The second descent you are interested in starts with the fourth son Samuel above ( his estate was Shanballymore)
  his son was Richard ( Scalliheen)
  his son was Richard ( Tipperary Town)
  his son was Richard  ( Holycross & Scalaheen Hse ) He was interesting because he married his second cousin Grace Sadleir, a descendant of the Clement of Ballintemple ( above) !!!
   his son was James ( Brookville)
   his son  was John ( b.Brookville, emigrated to Victoria Australia and was the policeman in charge at Ned Kelly's arrest
    This John was my great grandfather

So there you have it. Do not hesitate to ask for more information about this connection if you wish
Happy New Year    Richard

[Marion_C]

Hi Marion. Although I started this chat some years ago I am afraid I have been a bad boy and have rarely checked back. However, by mere coincidence I saw your enquiry today  New Years Day here in NZ !!!
The connection that you are after is as follows
in 1665/6/7  a John Sadler lived in Ballyryan, Sollohodmore just north of Tipperary town. he is a shadowy figure who seems to be have a descendant of the famous Sir Ralph Sadleir but that is another story.
John had four sons.. John,Richard,Clement and Samuel. The first descent you are interested in goes as follows :
Clement ( Ballintemple)
  his son was Clement William ( Shrone Hill)
  his son was William ( Shrone Hill )
  his son was Clement ( Shrone hill ) married an RC heiress Joanna Scully
  so descendants are RC.
  he had four sons including John the banker and swindler and James who also fiddled the books !!

The second descent you are interested in starts with the fourth son Samuel above ( his estate was Shanballymore)
  his son was Richard ( Scalliheen)
  his son was Richard ( Tipperary Town)
  his son was Richard  ( Holycross & Scalaheen Hse ) He was interesting because he married his second cousin Grace Sadleir, a descendant of the Clement of Ballintemple ( above) !!!
   his son was James ( Brookville)
   his son  was John ( b.Brookville, emigrated to Victoria Australia and was the policeman in charge at Ned Kelly's arrest
    This John was my great grandfather

So there you have it. Do not hesitate to ask for more information about this connection if you wish
Happy New Year    Richard

Hi Richard,

Happy New Year to you too!  And actually I was amazed how quickly you replied, given I only posted my query on New Year's Eve; thank you so much for the info. 
 
So it seems these two were 4th cousins once removed (if I've counted right, these connections do my head in  ) and also had a slightly closer connection through Grace? 

Marion