Sadleirs in Tipperary

[RichardAS]

Hi Richard,

Many thanks for that. My Grandfather Patrick Sadlier is buried in Balintemple graveyard and I have seen his grave. I know that this grave belonged to the Sadliers of Bonnerea.

Kind Regards

Richard

[Portnard]

Richard,

I am trying to trace how I am related to the Sadleirs in Ballydoyle.  I am presuming through Lizzie Sadlier.  My family name that is connected to these Sadleirs is Kennedy originally from Portnard/Ballyvohereen/Cappaghmore in Co Limerick.  I have a relation Dr Matthew Sadlier Kennedy died c. 1889 who was GP in Golden and lived in Tipperary.  One of his daughters was Mth General of the Loretto Order.  Family history says we are connected to John Sadleir of the Tipperary Savings Bank fiasco but I'm not sure if this is correct.  Can you help me in any way?
 

[Ginger1]

Lizzie Sadleir is my great grandmother.

[Portnard]

Hi Ginger1,

Do you know what Lizzie's maiden name was?  However, I now think that my connection may go further back?  Have you come across a Johanna Sadlier from the mid 1800s and are there any Howard connections in your Sadleir family tree?  Also, where is Bonnera?

Thanks

[Ginger1]

I have seen her birth name recorded as both Gorman and O'Gorman.  So far no Johanna or Howard connections but I will let you know if I come across either.

It is likely that Bonnera is an anglicised version of the name of a townland in Tipperary.  Townlands are the smallest administrative units in Ireland, smaller than a parish.  You may find that townland on the searchable index of place names in Ireland: http://logainm.ie/.  The site will initially appear in Gaelic but there is an English language option on the top right corner.  You can search by county and there is a map feature for each place listed on the site as well as links to additional information, including the meaning of the place name.

I hope this information helps.

[Colin Salter]

Hello all, new to site!

I am descended from Richard William Ralph Sadleir of Sadleirswells (1819-1876), my gt gt grandfather. Does anyone have ANY information about him beyond census returns?!

He put Sadleirswells on the market in 1854, although it was I think in the end only leased to John Massy. Was his decision to part with the family home connected with the Tipperary Bank scandal then about to blow up thanks to his cousin John Sadleir (as refered to in Jack2227's clipping above)? What happened to Sadleirswells? John Massy renamed it Kingswell House - did it remain out of the Sadleir family?

RWRS himself was declared bankrupt in 1868 after a disastrous venture into chemical manufacture in St Helens and he ended his days as a bank clerk. It seems to have been a lfe of slow, steady decline! His 5 children were born in Ireland, Preston, Wales and St Helens.

RWRS was eldest son of Richard Sadleir and Mathilda Frances Massy, grandson of Richard Sadleir (who bought Kingswell and renamed it Sadleirswells) and Eleanor Toler, great grandson of Nicholas Sadleir of Golden Garden and Lachen (d 1762) and his wife Anne Ballard.

Happy to share anything I have, and hoping for anything you have on Richard William Ralph Sadleir and his family.

[dryan]

Hi everyone,
Bonerea is an area beside Annacarty, which in turn is about 5 miles from Dundrum, Co Tipperary.
The Sadliers finally left Hilly Glenough a few years ago, and moved down to flatter pastures. One of the family (Jack) married the teacher from Glenough National School (probably 80 years ago), and moved initially to Dublin and then on to London.

[Colin Salter]

Dundrum is where Killenure Castle is - ancient home of the Cooper family. My great great grandparents were the above RWR Sadleir and Eleanor Wilhelmina Octavia Cooper of Killenure. RWRS was of Sadleirswells, not Bonerea, but presumably there is some connection?

[monemore]

Hi Colin,

Re: Kingswell House.    Only recently, I discovered that I had cousins living there since the 1960's.  I think the house was in very poor repair and it was demolished.

I wonder if you have any further history of the house other that what I found on http://www.landedestates.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/search.jsp?q=kingswell

Many thanks,

mm