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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 17 September 09 23:34 BST (UK) »
Well, I did try the armed forces but since then I managed to get onto ancestry, but I could only get military information from 1914. As I could only use the 30 minutes alloted I wasn't able to get very far. 
Lynwen, or some other kind soul, Could you please explain how I can get to his service record from Ancestry. Thank you.

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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #10 on: Friday 18 September 09 01:30 BST (UK) »
I just signed up for a two week trial on Ancestry and I had a quick look but didn't see anything under the Military records for Daniel Frith.  Did he have a second name or is the name commonly mistranscribed?  I generally don't trust Ancestry's transcriptions so if you have any more details, I can search again.  I am not sure how the records are organized because my fellow came up under the Pension records 1914 - 1920 even though he deserted in 1907.

I don't know very much about ordering military records from the National Archives but I believe you have to search yourself or hire a researcher as the files are not indexed by name.  But the experts on the military board here will certainly give you better advice I'm sure.

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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 19 September 09 15:59 BST (UK) »
Hi there Muttly,
All the records that survived the Blitz are held by Ancestry, I have had a look and can't find him on the 3 sections that they have.

I have posted the address of the RA records office on your other thread.

Cheers Roger.

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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 21 September 09 14:56 BST (UK) »
Thanks Roger, I shall contact them to see if I can get any further. I really appreciate you and Lynwen taking time to help me. muttly.


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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 21 September 09 15:35 BST (UK) »
 :D
Hi there,
Some more info for you from the 1901 census,

Dan Frith, Driver, aged 22, from Lutterworth, Leicestershire, in the 26th Battery RFA, in the Stanhope and Wellington lines, Aldershot.

Cheers Roger.

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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 21 September 09 15:50 BST (UK) »
Just a thought, might be worth trying Lutterworth papers, could have done something when home on leave!
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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #15 on: Monday 21 September 09 15:51 BST (UK) »
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Hi there again, I have just found out the records office has moved to Army Peronnel Centre(APC) Glasgow from 1997, and there you will have to prove kinship.

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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 01 October 09 11:50 BST (UK) »
I have the date 5th June 1901 but I'm not sure if that was the date of the conviction or the offense.

This was the date he was discharged from the army, so the offence and sentence happened before this date. If you look at the page with details of his service there is a column with years and days. It may show when he was confined awaiting trial. The army would not pay him if he was not available.

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Re: Convicted by civil powers. For what?
« Reply #17 on: Monday 05 October 09 14:30 BST (UK) »
:D
Some more info for you from the 1901 census,

Dan Frith, Driver, aged 22, from Lutterworth, Leicestershire, in the 26th Battery RFA, in the Stanhope and Wellington lines, Aldershot.

This is weird!  There are TWO Daniel FRITHs recorded in 1901  - one aged 22 and the other 27 - both Drivers with Royal Fd Arty at Aldershot!  Both are shown married:  the younger in Barracks and born 'Lutworth' and the elder born Birmingham with a wife Alice boarding in Aldershot!

The 1911 Index only has the elder - Daniel Thomas FRITH - aged 37 born Lutterworth living in Camberwell District with a wife Mary Alice!

FreeBMD has a marriage 1Q 1901 between Daniel Thomas FRITH and Mary Alice ISHERWOOD Farnham 2a 162.
SOM/Chard/Combe St Nicholas/Ilminster:  Dean[e]/Doble/Jeffery/Burt;  DEV/Yarcombe:  Dean/Gill/Every; 
BRK/Newbury:  Westall/Green/Lewis/Canning;  WIL/Allcannings:  Hiscock/Amor;  Froxfield:  Hobbs/Green;  HAM/Kingsclere:  Martin/Hiscock/Westall;  WAR/Marton/Bubbenhall:  Glenn/Holmes;  STS/Yoxall/Hamstall Ridware/Barton-u-Needwood:  Holmes/Dainty;  STS/Brewood/Codsall/Penkridge/Hatherton:  Dean[e]; GLA/Aberdare:  Dean/Dane

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