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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #171 on: Saturday 31 October 09 23:42 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

Finally finding my way around the boards.

Just been doing more research and just discovered that the info I've found for Chris, you've already done it. You are correct re William and Sarah etc.

I am getting more positive each time I read through the co-incidences.

Thanks for your help, it's been great and without it Chris might never have contacted me.

I've never really used this site as I always found it difficult to find things. I suppose that's down to my being impatient and not the site.  So apologies if I don't answer the thread as often as I should.


Baker - Tipton, Staffordshire, Birmingham. Pennsylvania
Coyne -Devon, Rotherham, Somerset, Walsall
Fereday - Yorkshire
Jackman - Manchester, London.
Jones - Cheshire, Wrexham
Parr - Lancashire.

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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #172 on: Sunday 01 November 09 11:47 GMT (UK) »
Way up at the top of the page is says ,"show new replies to your posts" click on that . ;)
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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #173 on: Sunday 01 November 09 15:25 GMT (UK) »


Aahh!

Thanks for that.

Baker - Tipton, Staffordshire, Birmingham. Pennsylvania
Coyne -Devon, Rotherham, Somerset, Walsall
Fereday - Yorkshire
Jackman - Manchester, London.
Jones - Cheshire, Wrexham
Parr - Lancashire.

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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #174 on: Sunday 01 November 09 17:05 GMT (UK) »
This thread has being going on soooo long,I have to sit and think where we are up to, and do I have them all straight in my mind..
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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #175 on: Sunday 01 November 09 17:17 GMT (UK) »
Lou,
      can you fill me on William Henry's siblings....?
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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #176 on: Sunday 01 November 09 17:37 GMT (UK) »


William Henry had 6 siblings and I've traced them all except for the wonderfull, facinating and  exhaustingly elusive William Henry Baker. 

He has been my biggest headache on my Baker line. He just seemed to vanish off the face of the earth. I did think he'd emigrated and did wonder about India but didn't have the means to track him down, so spent all my time & dosh on his siblings trying to find a living direct male line.

Fortunatley I found a few living lines, but unfortunatley some were female lines, some male lines ended and the one direct male line still living - there's a bit of a sensitive situation. So communication with them has ended for the time being.

I have evidence to back up all what I have found on my Baker line.  Sadly William H Baker's father died in a workhouse. I haven't found why he was there when his wife was alive and living with their daughter. But he was there for at least 8 years. So I can only presume he was there in the hospital section.

Baker - Tipton, Staffordshire, Birmingham. Pennsylvania
Coyne -Devon, Rotherham, Somerset, Walsall
Fereday - Yorkshire
Jackman - Manchester, London.
Jones - Cheshire, Wrexham
Parr - Lancashire.

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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #177 on: Sunday 01 November 09 17:47 GMT (UK) »
So there were  two boys born in Rangoon,William and ?.Which sibling is your direct line ?
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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #178 on: Sunday 01 November 09 18:24 GMT (UK) »


Oh No!   Some mix up here, Only one child born in India and that was William Henry Baker not born in Rangoon but Bombay.

The other child was my direct line a son Joseph. He is my 2nd suspect child. He was registered in England but on one census it states his birth was "Sea" which means either overseas or at sea. I havent found any evidence of his being overseas.

Why my suspect children you might ask.

Well both parents - William and Sarah applied for their passports in 1853 but several months apart.  He either travelled in Dec 1853 or was employed in Dec 1853 as I have a copy of his bond. Unfortunatley it doesn't give any more info.

The family alread had two children when William went to India.  My WHB was born in 1857 and baptised in 1859. It is his baptism record that I have and which also gives his birth date. I haven't been able to track down his birth certificate.

I know some women joined their husbands and some did not, and as I don't have any proof that Sarah went to India I cannot be sure the child she had in India or indeed my gt grandfather were her natural children.  Likewise for WHB.  A baptism record does not confirm they are the true parents, it just confirms that they are the parents at the time of the baptism and as this was 2years after the birth. One must also remember that this was at the time of the mutiny where many children were left orphans.   

The reason behind all the above is because my gt grandfather's skin tone was olive, with jet black hair. He had 8 children, some of which were fair haired with blue eyes, one had a darker olive skin, with black hair, another was small  with dark eyes and black hair. And one had the features and colours of a true child from India.  Of one daughter with fair hair and blue eyes she had twin girls one of which was real Indian  beauty.

I have traced the first child of William and Sarah and this is the sensitive case, but of those that I know about they were fair with blue eyes.. The 2nd child emigrated and on his passenger lists it clearly states he was "white". Of 3 remaining children I have evidence that one was definatley white, their 3rd child was WHB the 4th my gt grandfather and I have evidence that one daughter was definatley "white" and I believe her sister was too. The last daughter had twin girls who died age 6mths and she passed away a few years later with no surviving children.

William Snr may have took in WHB and my gt grandfather and brought them up as his own children and had WHB baptised in India. Or Sarah may be the natural mother and gave birth just prior to her leaving India and registered the b birth in England.

I have traced Sarah's line and non of them have any coluring or features fro any other culture except English so it's not her line. I've traced my line and apart from WHB all the rest were born in England.

I have noticed from Chris's thread that he may have misunderstood me, my aunts told me that somewhere back a generation from their grandfather that he was a gurkha, thus meaning William Snr and not Cornelius.



Baker - Tipton, Staffordshire, Birmingham. Pennsylvania
Coyne -Devon, Rotherham, Somerset, Walsall
Fereday - Yorkshire
Jackman - Manchester, London.
Jones - Cheshire, Wrexham
Parr - Lancashire.

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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #179 on: Sunday 01 November 09 18:32 GMT (UK) »
Right, I'll sit here and digest it all,Thanks Lou   ;DLooks like there could be skeletons in the cupboard :o
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