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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #72 on: Monday 05 October 09 12:39 BST (UK) »
And I have had an email this morning from Canada from someone that has found another wanderer in the family! The tree is beginning to look like a map of the United Nations! Unfortunately I have got to do some work now just as things get going again...
BAKER            Staffordshire, India, Bengal, (1880's)   
BROWNING    Kent      
LAMING            England, Dover      
SHEPPARD         England, Fenton, Stoke on Trent, Coventry, Warwickshire
BOURKE             Ireland (early 1800's) Merthyr, London, India/Burma

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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #73 on: Monday 05 October 09 12:48 BST (UK) »
A bit inconclusive...1849 death in St George in the east Michael Bourke.
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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #74 on: Monday 05 October 09 14:14 BST (UK) »
Following on from your 1851.
Merthyr tidfil 1841. HO107/1415/book 8.
The original is atrocious for reading.
Margaret Dam? age 60
John Dion age 25
John Burke age 25 can't read what his job is,
Mary Burke age 20
Patrick Burke age 6
Anne Burke age 4.If you remember Rachel was born in south Wales.
stoke on trent. carson,wain,leese,shaw,key,scalley,mitchell,<br />james,<br /> nottingham,pollard,grice,<br />derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.<br /> new zealand,turton<br /> canada,carson.<br />australia,mitchell,scalley,<br />

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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #75 on: Wednesday 07 October 09 10:46 BST (UK) »
The 1841/51/71 would appear to all tie in, in so far as Patrick Bourke and family have same birth dates, and family members have same places of birth. The odd bit is in the 1841 in that his Mother (?) Mary appears to be 20 years old meaning that Patrick was born to her at 14 years old! Given the state of the original record it could be that it should read 26 instead?

It would appear that John and Mary Bourke(Burke) left Ireland around 1836 to go to Wales with 1-year old Patrick and then having Anne shortly after arriving in Wales.

My assumption would be that unless John had a fabulous baratone singing voice, he went to Merthyr to work in the Ironworks or mines there. The birth certificate of his daughter Anne would tell us more and hopefully confirm Mary's maiden name.

By 1851 John and daughter Anne have died/gone (looking at some history sites for Merthyr it seems to have been both a dangerous place to work and disease ridden). The family then go to London. What is interesting is that there are Ellen and Mary born in London, so what happened to John Bourke? Also Mary's age seems to now be correct in this census as it suggests that she was indeed 26 when in Wales and not 20 as originally transcribed.

I can't find any of them for sure on the 1861 so I would guess that Mary has remarried, died or gone back to Ireland.

The plot thickens...........
BAKER            Staffordshire, India, Bengal, (1880's)   
BROWNING    Kent      
LAMING            England, Dover      
SHEPPARD         England, Fenton, Stoke on Trent, Coventry, Warwickshire
BOURKE             Ireland (early 1800's) Merthyr, London, India/Burma


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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #76 on: Wednesday 07 October 09 11:16 BST (UK) »
ROFL,  (fabulous baritone singing voice )that's tickled me ;D ;D.
Right let me get my head in gear.....If I remember right, the street iwhere they lived in London was choc a bloc with Irish names,she could have moved there to be near  relatives.
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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #77 on: Wednesday 07 October 09 11:21 BST (UK) »
The only birth that I can find listed is for Mary Bourke in 1849 ( have ordered a certificate) now looking for deaths (what fun!). No one in the family can sing a note so no early Tom Jones wannabees
BAKER            Staffordshire, India, Bengal, (1880's)   
BROWNING    Kent      
LAMING            England, Dover      
SHEPPARD         England, Fenton, Stoke on Trent, Coventry, Warwickshire
BOURKE             Ireland (early 1800's) Merthyr, London, India/Burma

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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #78 on: Wednesday 07 October 09 11:21 BST (UK) »
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Mary appears to be 20 years old


Don't forget that ages were rounded down in the 1841 census
UK Census info. Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #79 on: Wednesday 07 October 09 11:46 BST (UK) »
It's a conudrum.... Johns death,we have two children born in London from 1846 to 1849, Mary's down as a widow so where is John?
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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #80 on: Wednesday 07 October 09 12:25 BST (UK) »
Looking at the 18941 again,I think John was a miner...Margaret Dam looks more like Dixon and so does John Dion,could they be relatives..Margaret looks like she makes her living by begging!!!
stoke on trent. carson,wain,leese,shaw,key,scalley,mitchell,<br />james,<br /> nottingham,pollard,grice,<br />derbyshire,vallands,turton,howe.<br /> new zealand,turton<br /> canada,carson.<br />australia,mitchell,scalley,<br />