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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #135 on: Monday 26 October 09 13:47 GMT (UK) »
Also, they seem to manage to travel in and out without being noticed. A record of Helena leaving England after 1897 and then returning to England (with at least Cedric) should show up some where prior to 1909.

There is no evidence though that William even came back to England. Just because Ced was born here in 1897 does not rule out the possibility that Helena travelled back from India to have the baby (more guessing  ???).

And where did the two sisters Mabel and Laura go? They vanish as well

BAKER            Staffordshire, India, Bengal, (1880's)   
BROWNING    Kent      
LAMING            England, Dover      
SHEPPARD         England, Fenton, Stoke on Trent, Coventry, Warwickshire
BOURKE             Ireland (early 1800's) Merthyr, London, India/Burma

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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #136 on: Monday 26 October 09 14:02 GMT (UK) »
Recap needed Chris..
Births of Laura and Mabel.....Ive cleared all my notes off the PC desk.
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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #137 on: Monday 26 October 09 14:15 GMT (UK) »
Daughters of William & Helena:

Laura Florence Baker b. 12 Jan 1881 India. She is not on the 1901 census, so I think travelled back to India at the same time as mum and Cedric. Shows up on the English 1911 census aged 30, single living with mum, Helena in Bedford. In 1932 she is still "Miss LF Baker" on Cedric's army record, living in Sutton, Surrey.

Mabel Irene Franziska Baker b. 30 Nov 1886 India. She is on the 1901 census, left behind with the neighbours in Bedford. Can't find her in 1911. In 1923 she is described as "Mrs M Lilley" living in Bournemouth
BAKER            Staffordshire, India, Bengal, (1880's)   
BROWNING    Kent      
LAMING            England, Dover      
SHEPPARD         England, Fenton, Stoke on Trent, Coventry, Warwickshire
BOURKE             Ireland (early 1800's) Merthyr, London, India/Burma

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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #138 on: Monday 26 October 09 14:20 GMT (UK) »
Did you find a marriage for Mabel?
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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #139 on: Monday 26 October 09 15:04 GMT (UK) »
Nope. Do you think though that as it might have taken place during WWI that it could be recorded as a military marriage or would these also still appear in the usual records?
BAKER            Staffordshire, India, Bengal, (1880's)   
BROWNING    Kent      
LAMING            England, Dover      
SHEPPARD         England, Fenton, Stoke on Trent, Coventry, Warwickshire
BOURKE             Ireland (early 1800's) Merthyr, London, India/Burma

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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #140 on: Monday 26 October 09 15:23 GMT (UK) »
It should be in the usual records.How do you know it's her?
Ive trawled the India sites for a Lilley,there are some but none Marrying Mabel...
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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #141 on: Monday 26 October 09 15:45 GMT (UK) »
In Cedric's army record there is a note written in 1923 that one of his next of kin was "Mrs M Lilley, sister" I don't think that Mabel went back to India as she and her older brother Philip appear on the 1901 census staying in England.

The rest of the family are back by 1909 when Cedric starts school in Bedford. Her father William has died by then, and Helena does not appear to ever return to India once widowed.

What is odd is that there is no marriage/divorce or children for her even though I think that there is a descendant.

I think that Laura remains a spinster and does not travel far, but I can't find a death record
BAKER            Staffordshire, India, Bengal, (1880's)   
BROWNING    Kent      
LAMING            England, Dover      
SHEPPARD         England, Fenton, Stoke on Trent, Coventry, Warwickshire
BOURKE             Ireland (early 1800's) Merthyr, London, India/Burma

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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #142 on: Monday 26 October 09 16:10 GMT (UK) »
A possibility is Mabel married after 1901 to someone,he died and she married again to a Mr Lilley..
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Re: India: Help please with Baker 1880's West Bengal
« Reply #143 on: Monday 26 October 09 16:16 GMT (UK) »
We need an electoral roll look up.
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