where are they buried?

[dobfarm]

Hi Sandra,

Only Idle I know is in Leeds but there could be one in Halifax? this could be some remote place or lane end corner of a field as there are loads of places unknown in these 1800's censuses to modern folk. As polling year? I need to check that out! Its not always easy working on ancestry blind on other people's families as not in the know! Hence I put as much of what I find in the post within copyrights limits. You can see things I can't in the info found......

Some times ones lucky! as there are old pre 1841c polling in inhabitant and early census info 1801 or Overseers/Churchwarden accounts-yet like my own in Warwickshire Nothing!

Farming and Odgen! There must be direct link with the Cockroft Family. There is a John Cockroft in the WYAS online info owning a garage. (1987 ish off top of my head). Tipping green is 1/8 th of a mile from Ogden or 1/2 a field.

I'm hoping a grave headstone! With both Sally and John Cockroft on! being of business family? but pre 1837 is mostly epistemology. Words like verify or confirm are not in the formula! with only snippits of bits of info here and there! A problem modern folk have trouble coming to terms with after the lush census years! and being cut of 1837 to near nothing.........then Help!

Dobby

[sandra bills]

Hi Dobby,

Yes understand your predicament.

Joseph is living with James Child at Jammy Green, is that Illingworth? I have aweful trouble trying to find these districts.
I remember my grandmother in Halifax at Grant Street, now pulled down, off Commercial street and we were right on the edge of the moors. I know she went to live finally at
Illingworth.  I lived at Grant Street for the first four years
of my life, before coming back down to my parents in
Wales.
I remember her talking about Ogden a lot. I have a photo
of us all above Hebden Bridge outside  a church with a signpost. 11 mile colne, Burnley, and something else I can't remeber offhand, but that is where the relatives are buried, up on the moors.
Joseph is on the 1841 as a weaver, and so is John, his father. So assume that his wife running the busiess
as a farmer, and he has some sort of textile business, I think in Ovenden or Halifax. Very difficult to sort it all out.
Another thing I need to know is Todmorden and Walden covering  Ogden.
Sandra

[dobfarm]

Hi Sandra,

I have the same problem with Wales place names.
Red Doles in Huddersfield I only heard of the other day and I live there! its local name today Cantor Lane where the fair used to be by the Football ground and be going there 60 years. So your not the only one.

The river Calder is a long steep valley that joins the River Air at Castleford and it source starts Rawtonstall (Stream) near Blackburn in Lancashire. Flowing down to Ba-cup then Todmorden where it becomes a river when it joins it other large stream from Burnley. From Todmorden to Halifax is a very long stretch of about Approx 15 miles with Hepenstall and Hebden bridge halfway (See google Maps)

Walsden is near Todmorden on the Rochdale road from.

Walden, Old Pool Bank, Pool In Wharfedale, Idle, West Yorkshire LS21, UK
Walden Dr, Queensbury, Bradford, West Yorkshire BD9, UK

Ogden is North-North west of Halifax on the Keigthley Road on the Moors above Hebden bridge, and a connecting trunk road the A 6033 and B6141 Oxenhope  Hebden  bridge to Denholme to Queensbury above Ogden moor (farms) and Village.


The Cockroft family may still own this garage and other ventures/businesses/farms.  Thus maybe worth writing blind to them. Directories 192 or 118. websites or Yellow pages as business.



http://www.calmview.eu/WY/DServe.exe?dsqApp=Archive&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqCmd=Search.tcl

Enter John Cockroft in Search above link

Item 
 Click here to explore the full catalogue for this collection 
Location help Calderdale GB 203 
Catalogue reference number help BIP/HX:6492 
Extent help (1 file) 
Title help John Cockroft - garage at Dale Croft, Keighley Rd, Ogden. 
Date help 5 Dec 1956 
Description help Scale: 8 feet:1 inch [1:96] 
Access status help Open 
Catalogue status Catalogued 
Access conditions Original available for consultation by appointment


Well Sandra! we have burned a lot of posts now in this and I'll check that  polling year at Halifax library over the coming weeks and the Zion church yard. Also anything else. I be back in Yorkshire tomorrow.

I'll post any findings.
Regards for now!
Dobby

[dobfarm]

Hi Sandra,

Have a chew on this (I'll let you do the finding Don't want to spoil your fun!!)----Allerton is Near Idle

John Cockcroft bapt 22-01-1775 Halifax Father Jon

http://www.calmview.eu/WY/DServe.exe?dsqApp=Archive&dsqDb=Catalog&dsqCmd=Search.tcl

enter John Cockcroft - Then enter separate  John Cockroft
Father John Wool manufacturer maybe.
Look for these place names below round overden and Illingworth
Souterhouse, Wadsworth
Little Burlees, Wadsworth
Sand Hall

http://www.justice101us.com/turner/Abraham.htm
Benjamin Russell 1792

Parish, Halifax Shield. England Town History Halifax: In 1822 ... In 1847, the sappers and miners visited this district ... John Maude, jun. Richard Best, Thomas Shaw, John Cockroft ...
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/Transcriptions/WRY/IllingworthChurchHistoricalNotes.html

GENUKI: Historical notes on Illingworth Church.

The following extracts are from a book found in Halifax ... John Maude, jun. Richard Best, Thomas Shaw, John Cockroft ... conducted until the death of Mr Jonathan Akroyd, in 1847.

[sandra bills]

Hi Dobby,

Well you have given me lots of info to sort out.
If we can find the date for the polling (I assume candidates) the John cockroft on that one may be the one that died in 1847 so would give us the lead we need and the dates. Whatever you can find I will be grateful for.
Thanks again,
Ooh you an an angel.
Sandra

[dobfarm]

Hi San,

As I said I will look into Polling Year next week in Halifax Library.
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The Wealth, Location and Poverty also history of Industry.

Poverty John Cockroft a Pauper in the Workhouse most likely pauper grave who married Ann Can Eliminated BUT! You still need him to eliminate death and bapt dates-their marriage by Bann but by License would give an age.

Manufacture in the late 1700's could mean Cottage (Farm) weaver or industrialist also trade manufacture like milliner (Hats) Or cobbler

My theory is Sally!
Find her grave John will be with here or near? She is in the 1851 c and her age, unless she remarred and then buried with her 2nd Hubby?

A long Job
Last you need to use IGI Hugh Wallis Bapts and marriage webpage.



Check all the John Cockroft marriages and Year of marriages

Then their first Siblings also Full lists of all them.

This will give their Religions & Church and if they had a sibling that march your Johns sibling bapt years

Example only
Ie  Joe Bapts of John 1815 one say Halifax St John Anglican

And Yours is 1815 Overden/Ogden New connection Methodist
Find the siblings 1841 c if still alive and the exact Emuneration abodes and occupations also the 1868 Death in censuses.

Dobs

By Elimination the other what is left will be your John and Sally

[dobfarm]

Ps

We know already John the pauper (Wife Ann) was born in Overden as the overseers of their residence of removal  always send them back to there place/parish of birth in removal orders & examination. Hence their marriage year to approx year of birth ie 25 years before +/- 5 years

[dobfarm]

Polling year for 1848 and taken 1849

Go the Google book link page and use the right scroll slide to the first pages of the Yorkshire polling book LEEDS head Station

[dobfarm]

Hi Again

You break through as below on Polling book and 1829 Pigots Directory of trade Horton street

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Halifax/Halifax29Dry.html
Transcript of the entry of "professions and trades"
for HALIFAX in Pigot's Directory of 1829.

Woolstaplers,
Abbott Robert & Son, Union street
Baldrey Robert, 13 Square
Cockroft & Ramsden, Horton street
Cockcroft John, 13 Cheapside

This John Cockcroft Dead in 1848 if its him could be buried in Northowran (Horton)
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=yrUHAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA135&dq=john+cockroft+halfax&lr=#v=onepage&q=&f=false