where are they buried?

[dobfarm]

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[sandra bills]

Hi Dobby,

I  think we have found our man and I haven't had the certificate yet. you are off the ball aren't you? That means (Wales)) you are really on target.
It has to be Sarah Migeley (the cert I sent for). She has George Child as witness and Joseph  (his son was livng with James Child), too much coincidence here.
I have been looking for the other witness to Joseph marriage cert for William
Rushworth and think now that William Burdworth might be the same person,
what do you think?
By the way how do I PM.
Sandra

[dobfarm]

Hi Sandra
Take your copy of the Midgley parish reg copy image as soon as poss then I will remove it from the decipher board. (C?rights)put your curtsur on the reg image and right click your mouse.'Save to Picture's

William Rushworth is on a lot  of St John marriages as church stand witness. (No Family connection)

In answer to your original question. 1837 to 1867 ish mount zion register bapt/burial book taken to Kew and not on micro film/fic-Supposed to be in BMD non comformist website but not all are on yet.

There is one last chance! The Halifax local weekly rag (newspaper) pre dates 1837.has birth,death & marriages. but only the better to doo's/off's will be in it I would think.

Study the Mount zion SALES of grave (Address/Occupations shown) and grave yard Mi's with your maps and build a picture of the Cockrofts /Midgley/Child etc. and family search for the birth/bapts.

The manufacture was cottage industry weaving! not business empire.

I'll look at the news paper but may be a long Job (Months)

I WILL REMOVE THE PARISH REG IN TWO DAYS From THE DECIPHER BOARD as completed.

RDS Dobby

[dobfarm]

Hi again
The only Overden marriage of this St John parish (Sub) confirm

Also both signed  Mark X -This alone makes me certain the other Business John Cockfort are not the 1806 marriage and 1841 c Broad st John. Labourer was a loose term for general manual worker put by Judgment of clerk. Farming and farm cottage weaving on the moors was common. (ODGEN/Overden Jed Clampet 'Beveley Hillbillies' and grannies snooker fancy eating table  )

[sandra bills]

Hi Dobby,

Now I am confused. If you say that this Broad Street John is not the one and that the John we are looking for is still elusive, where can he be.?
Already been building picture with the rellies, but now
where do we go.
Yes, I agree it was more cottage industry but where did
the money come from that was handed down from the Cockrofts to the next two or three generations.

Really puzzling me now.
Sandra

[dobfarm]

Hi Sandra.
You may have miss read

My first thoughts on manufacture! as being Mill owner and trade directories IE John Cockroft of Northowram also this Rochdale partners John Cockroft!.

Yours is to the highest degree the 1806 marriage to Sarah Midgley, and the one on the 1841 census Broad street census.

 Cottage industry was the first wool manufacture of cloths until these industrial mills took over!and even Mill workers who had small holdings also carrying on their small family cottage weaving & farming.

This was the time of the late Luddites and charties riots round Halifax

These terms on church registers/ GRO certs(Early GRO;s copies of parish registers) and census are very loose covering a wide range. ie Mason could be a quarry worker or a high skilled stone carver.

[dobfarm]

Hi Dobby,

Yes understand your predicament.

Joseph is living with James Child at Jammy Green, is that Illingworth? I have aweful trouble trying to find these districts.
I remember my grandmother in Halifax at Grant Street, now pulled down, off Commercial street and we were right on the edge of the moors. I know she went to live finally at
Illingworth.  I lived at Grant Street for the first four years
of my life, before coming back down to my parents in
Wales.
I remember her talking about Ogden a lot. I have a photo
of us all above Hebden Bridge outside  a church with a signpost. 11 mile colne, Burnley, and something else I can't remeber offhand, but that is where the relatives are buried, up on the moors.
Joseph is on the 1841 as a weaver, and so is John, his father. So assume that his wife running the busiess
as a farmer, and he has some sort of textile business, I think in Ovenden or Halifax. Very difficult to sort it all out.
Another thing I need to know is Todmorden and Walden covering  Ogden.
Sandra

Sandra,

I've pick this up on the assumption you have the right John and Sally 1841c Broad st from your Joe bapt 1815, the surname Child is the strongest link and Overden location of abode. As for prior knowledge of events of wealth of the Cockcrofts I cannot comment on without your full knowledge of events.

My object is to work around John unknown exact age or year of birth and death year of the 1841 c John Cockcoft & wife Sally to find his parentage and Sally's also her maiden name.



Dobby

[sandra bills]

Hi Dobby,]

You are quite right, we must sort out who my John Cockroft is. Firstly I would like to find out for definate the location of Broad Street and Broad Tree Terrace. Joseph lived Broad Tree Terrace and so did Samuel for thirty years with the grocer shop. Broad Street seems to be very vague to my recconing. Also I have only found on the map Broad Tree
off Ovenden road.
I notice that Broad Tree off oVENDEN ROAD is in fact in the area of Lee Mount where all my latter family, ie Miranda cockroft who married my g grandfather James North.
James was, as I have been told, by relatives in South Africa, whom James lpaid for them to go there,was manager in the mill at Lee Mount. Which is anybody's gues which one. I know that they lived in a large house either called Lee Mount House, or Spring Lee.
That is bye the bye because we also have the other
Cockrofts living up at Hal Farm wherever that may be,
ie. Charles, William and possibly John.
However on Samuels Census for 1851` it says he is living at Lower Hal,so mystery deepens until we ge tthe certificate rfor Sally,perhaps.
I am going to have another look at the grave sales because I think I saw two other people who lived at Hall or Hal
something number.
Sandra

[dobfarm]

Sandra,

I fully understand!

As 1841 c I'll re look at that enumeration census recorder route and exact! district again as where!

If your main council Public (Not LDS) book reference library is within reasonable bus range? then they have Anc**try .c*.uk free library edition. Search out John original 1841 c original view of this event! at the top of the page you will see a  line flow finishing district 14(Click on District)
Next page click on District 14 next page click in emuneration (Middle to right!***  ignore left events- you'll see) This will brink up the route the census recorder took that day 1841. Street by street.

Joseph Cockroft born/bapt 1815  there is only one (Ive checked all parish's and none conformists and quakers)of John and Sarah Cockroft Mount zion chapel Overden area sub  Illingworth  just in the Ogden border.