where are they buried?

[dobfarm]

Hi Cindy

Off hand I think Joshua Cockroft b 1724 died as an infant of John and Joshua Cockroft b 1732 John's next child called Joshua was the 1757 Joshua Marriage.

He will be connected futher back to Sandra's lot

Hope it Helps

Dave

[tcrengr]

Dave,

Thank you so much for your feedback.  I'm really hoping that I can link into Sandra's family....you and she have done a super job researching the family in the Illingworth area!

I was wondering if you might be able to answer one more question for me.  Matthew's children (born in the 1780s and early 1790s) are listed as being baptized in both the Zion Methodist New Connexion church in Ovenden and the South Parade Wesleyan church in Halifax.  The dates in both churches are identical.  Was there a connection between the two?

Thank you again for your thoughts!

Cindy

[dobfarm]

Hi Cindy,

Sandra is in the middle of extencive building work on her house- hence I have anwsered. It was more her incredable good luck with Gravestone finds! as she repeated this with her North Family that took her tree back finding one with 3 generations on. She'll be back online next week and maybe she will be able to help you more as I only path find back on the main line. She has loads of info! so fingers crossed.

Regards Dave

[sandra bills]

Hi Dave and Cindy,

Just on for today and tomorrow and builders back on
Tuesday and finishing up by Friday . patio doors in so major work completed just plasterboarding to finish.
Of course clean up anothr week or so after, but at least I will have my house back. If I survive that long.
Cindy will have to let you know info when I can get to files. After 60 you can forget anything by memory. Dave an you give Cindy my address please.
Hope you enjoying your hols Dave.
Thanks for holding the fort for me.
Sandra

[tcrengr]

Hi Dave and Sandra,

Thank you both for responding so quickly.  I look forward to working with you  to possibly add another branch to the Cockcroft family tree in Illingsworth!  My branch of the family ends up leaving England around 1796 to fight in the Irish rebellion in County Down in 1798.  We spent 4 or 5 generations in Ireland and then emigrated to the U.S....mostly settling in the New York/New Jersey area. 

There is a mystery surrounding our family's origin in England.  According to the story Matthew shared with his relatives, he was from the Flamborough or Bridlington area.  However, there is no trace of a Matthew being born in East Riding.  We feel that there is a strong possibility that our Matthew is the one born in the Illingsworth/Ovenden area and that for some reason the story was not told accurately.    There are birth records for five children born to Matthew and Hannah Cockcroft in the late 1780 and early 1790s in the Ovenden area.  We suspect that Matthew's marriage in Ireland could have been his second and that he could possibly have still been married to Hannah.  If this was the case, maybe he purposely misrepresented his birthplace.  Of course this is still all guesswork at this point!

Anyway, I look forward to hearing from you once the dust settles!!!

Cindy

[dobfarm]

Sandra

I have sent Cindy your Email address

Dave

[sandra bills]

Hi Dave,

Thanks for that.  will have to look all this up when I can get to the files.
Sandra

[dobfarm]

Hello Cindy.

I don't wont to get to involed with this as it not my family! only helping Sandra! but your research seems to be ? either you are or your roots are from the USA back though Ireland to England. One of the common assumptions made by people from the USA is the distance in the US being large country and our small country in England! but though to you Bridlington is not far from Halifax in USA terms -too us or more them days was  quite  distance. Halifax people were hill land farmers of Cattle /sheep & Weavers of Wool or Silk and most Coast people were flat land farmers of Grain/Veg/fodder and fishermen. Thus if your Mathew Cockroft was from Bridlington Hull area I would try and contact the Family History societies in Hull to check the parish registers for another Mathew Cockroft.

Dave

[tcrengr]

Hi Dave and Sandra,

Thanks for the comparison between East and West Riding...it gives me a lot to consider.  I went ahead and posted a lookup request for the Flamborough area.  Will see what happens.  I'm not too hopeful since I believe a relative might have commissioned some research in that area a few years back and it did not reveal any Matthews.  To tell you the truth, I can only find one documented birth of a Matthew Cockcroft for that time frame and it's the one in Illingworth.

Matthew just does not seem to be a family name for the Cockcrofts or the Pickles.   The Matthew Cockcroft born in 1776 in York, that's listed on the Family Search database, is not sourced.  It was placed on the database by another one of my relatives but it is based on an assumption of his approximate age at enlistment and the family legend that he was born in the York area. 

The name of Matthew's first son in England is Jacob, which  also does not seem to be a family name.  His children in Ireland were named Robert,  Matilda, and Jane.

I understand that Matthew and his children were involved in the lead mining industry.  Is that more prevalent in the West Riding area?  I believe he was considered a laborer but his daughter in Ireland supposedly married a miner, so he may have been working in the lead mines.  Unfortunately, the daughter moved to the U.S. or Canada and was never heard from again.

Thanks again for your help...your perspectives on the Halifax area are extremely helpful!

Cindy