Loates family

[maraussan]

Hello HinInverness,

Thanks for the very helpful information and great news.  William Loates (1835 approx) son of Fordham and Ann was my gggrandfather.  I have further info about him which might be useful.

1861 census RG09 312 138 10
William Loates born 1837 Melbourne Cambs, occupation coal porter
Spouse Mary - no surname born 1836 Liverpool
Son Joseph Loates - my ggrandfather born 1861 Christchurch, Surrey
Residence 8 Broadwall Southwark

1871 census RG10 593 36 4
Mary Loates widow occ mangler, birth place shown as Lancashire
Son Joseph
Son William 1867 Christchurch Surrey
Son George Loates 1869 Christchurch, Surrey
Daughter Son Jane Loates 1871 Christchurch, Surrey  GRO ref shows her as Mary Jane
Residence 33 Broadwall Southwark

William Loates snr died 1870 GRO ref 1d 112 St Olaves

1881 census GR11 1356 ? ?
Son George Loates
Inmate at the Central London District School, Hanwell, Middlesex - I believe this was a school for pauper children
Can find no trace of Joseph, William or Jane on this census
Mary Loates died 1874

1891 census RG12 506 104 38
Joseph Loates occ Railway Engine Fireman
Spouse Eliza Hamilton born 1865 Horsleydown Surrey, married 20 June 1886 Southwark
Daughter Florence born 1887 New Cross
Daughter Grace Loates born 1889 New Cross, died 1894 GRO ref Greenwich 1d 517
Residence Casella Road East, St Paul Deptford, Hatcham

1901 census
Joseph, Eliza and Florence
Eva Loates - my grandmother born 1892 New Cross
Baptised 13 November 1892 All Saints, Deptford
Residence St Georges Road, Hastings, Sussex

1911 census
Joseph and family lived at Waterworks Road, Hastings, Sussex
Occ Stationary engine driver

Eva Loates married George Grant Hill 1916, Hastings
Daughter Irene Eva Hill born 20 March 1918 Hastings, died September 2004

Florence Loates married Russell Clair Quick 11 July 1917 St Andrews Church, Hastings
Russell Quick born 11 March 1893 Tawas City, Michigan, USA
Occ Canadian Expeditionary Force WW1
Daughter Hilda Quick born 1918

Family emigrated to Canada, ship Melita, port of arrival, Quebec
Florence died 1970 Ontario, Canada
Russell died 10 March 1974, Rosedale, British Columbia
Place of burial - Florence & Russell, Oakland Cemetery, Mosa Middlesex, Ontario
Grave ref MX-MO-507

Joseph Loates died 21 November 1927 aged 66 Hastings
Eliza Loates died 15 April 1934 aged 69 Hastings

 Hope this helps with William's line of the Loates. It looks as though there is a link between Fordham  (child 11) and William (child 9) on your list

Happy reading

Pat

[Necromancer]

1881 census GR11 1356 ? ?
Son George Loates

Inmate at the Central London District School, Hanwell, Middlesex - I believe this was a school for pauper children

Can find no trace of Joseph, William or Jane on this census

Have you reviewed the earlier posts of this thread?

They establish fairly firmly that Fordham was indeed Joseph's Uncle ..... 

[HinInverness]

Hi Pat

Thanks for all that information.  I can get back to 17??; a John Loates who married in 1738 but not with the depth of info that you have.

I will put it into my family tree and see where it takes me.

Are you a Loates too?

Regards HinInverness

[maraussan]

Hi HinInverness,

My grandmother was Eva Loates 1892, her father was Joseph Loates 1861 and his father William Loates 1837.  The Loates line stopped after Eva, no sons but I am directly descended from William brother of your Fordham.  I think we may be 4th cousins.

Best wishes

Pat

[maraussan]

Hi HinInverness,

I should have said that Eva Loates and husband George Grant Hill had one child, a daughter Irene Eva, who was my mother.  She died in 2004.

  Also thanks to a  previous reply from  Rootschat I have found Joseph Loates on the 1881 census.  The transcription I have shows the name as Coates but it is definitely Joseph who is boarding with Fordham and family.  Both Fordham and Joseph are listed as being railway labourers and the family living in Camberwell. Writing on census records is always a problem for transcribers as not clear.  Ref is RG11 0692 24

Best wishes

Pat

[maraussan]

Thanks Passed Master

Yes, Joseph Loates confirmed as living with his uncle Fordham.  I had difficulty reading the original census image but managed to read the address , did an address search and  found a transcription which had Loates transcribed as Coates.  Must be very frustrating for transcribers as some of the enumerators scripts very difficult.  Still trying to find William  1867 and Jane 1871 no luck at the moment.

Thanks for help at least I'm one step closer.

Pat

[Loates]

All the early Loates families in Melbourn were recorded without the 'e'. Parish registers at Melbourn are very concise about this. When young Thomas Loats emigtrated to Australia he appeared on the ships passenger list as 'Looks' but retained 'Loats' when he arrived. Consequently all those in Victoria State were 'Loats', a spelling tjhat survives to this day I believe. Being a Loates I have studied the Loates families in Cambridgeshire and have found over 20 variants, with Lofts and Loughts being the most common. Of course, there was Archer Bell Loates who being slow of speech had his name written as Archer B

A. Loates

Cambridgeshire

[Loates]

In Melbourn, Cambridgeshire, the Loates families had their names written as Loats. Only in an early census did it become Loates and when some moved to London they couldn't make up their m,inds how to spell it. Whem Thomas Loats emigrated to Australia he briefly appeared as 'Looks' on the ship's passenger list - probably a pronounciation thing but he retained 'Loats' on arrival in Victoria and that spelling has survived to this day down under I believe. Being a Cambridgeshire Loates I have studied the name closely and have found over 20 variants, mainly Lofts and Loughts. The strangest has to be Archer Bell Loates. Born in Cambridge he married at Cherry Hinton his name was recorded in the register there as Archer Belloats. Two children were had Belloats as a family name but later Archer Belloats moirphed into Archibald Loats or Loates.

Be lucky

Anthony 'Andy' Loates      Cambridgeshire.

[maraussan]

Hi Andy

Thanks for the message about alternative spellings for Loates.  I have "lost" a family member.  My great grandfather Joseph Loates was one of the children of William Loates, a brother of Thomas who went to Australia.  William moved to London and married in 1859.  There were four children of the marriage.  William died a few months before the birth of his daughter Mary Jane in 1870 and his wife Mary Ann died in 1874 after contracting TB two years previously.

I am trying to find Mary Jane but without success.  The 1871 census lists her as Jane and the family living at 8 Broadwall, Christchurch, Southwark where the mother supported the family by working as a mangler.  The 1881 census lists Joseph as living with his uncle Fordham Loates in Camberwell before marrying and eventually moving to Hastings, Sussex. George, another brother, was an inmate at the Central London District School in Hanwell.  He had been placed there by the Christchurch Poor Law Union and went on to join the Royal Navy before dying in the Royal Naval Hospital, Chatham in 1894.

 I assume that Jane was also in the care of the Christchurch Union but can find no further census records. I have also looked up the bmd's for death and marriage but no luck.  I know that children were sent overseas, particularly Canada, by various institutions  for a new life  but I'm not having any success.  Did she return to relatives in Melbourn?

Any help and advice you can give would be very much appreciated as I would like to know what happened to her.

Thanks a lot

Pat