Williams/Cole

[LeungKen]

I am seeking information about my grandfather, Fredrick Thomas Williams, born 22nd Sept 1884 (Fairly sure) he was born out of wedlock to Rose Ann Wlliams who subsequently married John Cole and they then had 4 daughters, Lizzie, Ethel, Laura & Hannah. I do know that Hannah was born in 1894 and the address given on her birth certificate was 2 Vernon Place, West Gorton.
I remember back in the 1950's visiting Lizzie & Laura at 50 Forest Range, Levenshulme.
Any information about how I can glean a bit of background would be much appreciated as I'm now living in Thailand and getting on in years and would like to fill my nieces request for details for their children.
Thanks in anticipation. Ken

[suzard]

Here they are in 1901 - looks like Frederick has been entered as William Frederick and then surname "Cole" dittoed!!!!

2 Vernon Place manchester lancs
John Cole head M 60 (or 68?)Carter Brickmakers carrier Gloucester Gloucestershire
Rose wife 45 Malpas Cheshire
William Fred son 17 Butcher
Lizzie daughter 9
hannah daughter 6
Frances daughter 2
children all b manchester
RG13 3687 55 28

Suz

[LeungKen]

Suzard,
Thanks for such a great quick response.
It seems to fit perfectly as Fred (Grandad) was most certainly apprenticed to be a butcher boy at a very early age (about 13 y.o. from memory. Now if only I knew how to track down a bit more about his mother, I doubt that I'll ever find out who his biological father was, as the story I was told, was his mother was made pregnant by someone in the "big house" where his mother  (Ann Rose) was in "domestic service". No doubt she was probably sacked and the whole thing covered up due to the stigma or shame at that time.
Maybe I should try following her thread in Cheshire (What does Malpas mean ? )
Thanks Again
Cheers
Ken

[suzard]

Hi ,

Malpas is the name of the place in Cheshire where Rose has stated she is boen

This looks like them in 1891

2 Vernon Place Gorton Manchester Lancs
John Coles head M 55 Carter Dymock Gloucestershire
Rose wife 27 Malpas Cheshire
Frederick son 6 Manchester lancs
Laura R daughter 3 Manchester lancs
Mary E Williams Mother in law 52 living on own means Bickley cheshire
RG12 3173 104 20

I think daughter frances (in1901) was named Frances Ethel

I'll judst have a look around some more

Sorry I forgot to Welcome you so....

a big Welcome to RootsChat.

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Suz

[LeungKen]

Suz,
You're an angel.
You've no idea how mammoth a task this is to me, only getting to grips with the internet fairly recently. Plus my parents are both dead as is my elder brother who'd actually started to trace our paternal grandfather but only through the male line. I'm actually trying to do just a bit for all 4 of my grandparents.
I do know that Fredrick Thomas Williams married my Grandmother Florence Harrison on 25th January 1907 somewhere in Manchester (I think) they then moved to the new Garden City of Letchworth in 1910,
Florence Harrison had a sister Annie so that's another avenue of investigation I need to do later.
Once again Thanks for all your help
Best wishes from a very tropically wet Phuket today
Cheers
Ken

[suzard]

Did you know Rose married again??

freeBMD
marriage reg
Jun qtr 1906
Chorlton district
Richard hampson
Rose Ann Cole
8c 1670

Richard was a labourer on the railways - I don't think they had any more children

Suz

Lizzie Cole - was (I think) named Sarah Elizabeth -they seemed to use their middle names

daughter laura R Coles was laura Rose don't know where she was in 1901 -will see if i can find her

Suz

[garstonite]

Hi ...only ONE Frederick Thomas Williams born in Sept Qtr 1884..
Williams Frederick Thomas    Chorlton 8c 751....back soon ...checking Lancashire bmd....allan
ok...ADDED...onlancs bmd
williams frederick thomas registered Ardwick Manchester 1884 ref ARD/191/66
Presumably Chorlton comes under Ardwick does it ?....allan

[suzard]

Hi ken,

You are doing great - there are lots of RootsChatters who are willing to help and advise

I found laura in 1901

1901
Stockport Rd Longsight Gorton Manchester lancs

Laura Cole servant 13 Domestic Servant Longsight manchester

She is in the household of Thomas Simpson (Stable and Carriage Proprietor) his wife and 3 children age between 4 & 10 years

RG13 3687 66 14

Suz

[LeungKen]

Greetings All

I'm flabbergasted and overwhelmed by your help - you've made an old bloke very happy with what you have found out already.

A huge Thank You All and if you're ever in Phuket the drinks are on me 

and to Roots Chat, Cheers & Good Health

Ken