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Offline magicnanny

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Re: Putting them together Please
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 12 September 09 13:54 BST (UK) »
Interesting with William !   He  started off as railway police ,then signalman ,then a porter .....  he seemed to have gone down the ladder instead of up if you see what i mean .  Sorry but not from Wales are all these places in the same sort of area ..   many thanks for your help .
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« Reply #10 on: Sunday 13 September 09 18:53 BST (UK) »
Llangadock/Llangadog is in Dyfed not far from Llandeilo:-
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&source=hp&q=Llangadog&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

Dinas Cross is in Dyfed near to Fishguard which fits in with the 1881 census:-
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=Dinas%20Cross&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

Llwynypia, Trealaw and Ystrad are a few miles apart in the Rhondda Valley. I think Ystradyfodwg is the name of the parish or the area - not sure:-
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=Llwynypia&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

Blaina is near Abertillery:-
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=blaina&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

And this is Aberdare:-
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=aberdare&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

Don't think I've missed anywhere. You can zoom in and out of the maps to see where the various places are in relation to the rest of Wales.

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« Reply #11 on: Sunday 13 September 09 20:43 BST (UK) »
I was helping a colleague from the Rhondda to look up his family recently, and discovered (to his and my surprise) that Ystradyfodwg was the original name of the Rhondda.

It appears that during the 19th century the population in Wales  was very mobile, and many families appeared at different locations with each census, presumably following work about.  And once they got to the valleys it was common for families to move from one valley to another (they are all relatively close) depending on where work in the mines or the ironworks was available.

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« Reply #12 on: Sunday 07 March 10 14:24 GMT (UK) »
Interesting with William !   He  started off as railway police ,then signalman ,then a porter .....  he seemed to have gone down the ladder instead of up if you see what i mean .  Sorry but not from Wales are all these places in the same sort of area ..   many thanks for your help .

Hi magic nanny, 

While William appears to have gone down the grades, he may not have done.  The first Railway Policemen were responsible for signalling the trains as well as law enforcement.  This lasted until well into the latter part of the nineteenth century, when with the mechanisation of signalling many former Railway Policemen were regraded to Signalmen, with responsiblity solely for signalling the trains, as still is the case today.  In fact even today Signalmen are still often referred to "Bobbbies" by other railwaymen - a throw back to the origins of the position.

Signalmen were graded and paid according to the size of the signalbox they worked and how busy it was.  Those who remained as signalmen would aspire to be promoted to a bigger and busier signalbox and with it the increase in pay.  However, on the quieter lines it was often possible for a man to transfer to another grade and still attain more money.  So possibly this is what William did when he became a Porter.

Trealwa was on the Taff Vale's Rhondda Fawr branch which ran from Porth up to Treherbert.  Trealaw station was known for most of its existence as Tonypandy & Trealaw, as the two villages are close together and the station served both.  This was quite a busy lien with frequent coal trains running from the pits down to Cardiff and the other coastal ports.

Unfortunately railway staff records for any grade/job are few and far between these days.  For example the National Archive at Kew has only three documents relating to the Taff Vale Railway Police, only one of which gives any names of men employed as such.  This is dated 1858 and while the Rhondda Fawr branch was opened to goods traffic in 1846, the list doesn't contain details of any men stationed up this line.

I was interested to read your thread as I have been studying the railway police for a number of years now.  Do you know anything else about William, such as where he was stationed? 

Llanelly