Putting them together Please

[magicnanny]

This is from a old family bible which is from Wales  with no idear of its history ..and very hard to read .
The Surnames are JONES . the list is ........
William Jones 1845,born Llangadockk
Ann   "" 1848 Dinas Cross fishguard
Maggie  ""Llwynppiatonypandy
David""1895 Aberdare
John""1896LLwynpia
Willi""1848BlainaGwent mon
Thomas ""1880 Trealaw
CAth Mary ??1882 Traelaw
Even ""1884 Tralaw  tonypandy.........I would love to know the connection with them ...
i don't know if they are siblings i can;t find them altogether anywhere .......
ANY HELP ...would be appreciated many thanks   Magic

[Bethan]

Hi I believe I have found some of your family on the 1881 census living at Brithweunydd Rd Trealaw, the only thing that does not fit is William Jones birthplace,in your bible it says he was born in Llangadock but in the census it gives his birthplace as Llandeilo, both these places are in Carmarthen but I do not know if they are close to one another.

1881 census
William Jones HD.  37    born Llandeilo Carm.  Railway Police
Ann Jones  W         32    born  Fishguard
Margaret Jones D    8   born Ystradfodwg  Glam
David Jones     S      6   born   Aberdare
John Jones      S       4    born  Ystradfodwg
William  Jones  S      2    born Aberystwith  Mon
Thomas Jones  S      11    months  born Ystradfodwg

Best Wishes Bethan

[Bethan]

Hi found them all on the 1891 living at 56 Miskin Road Trealaw

William Jones  45            Signalman         CMN. Llandeilo
Ann............. 42                Wife                    Dinas Pemb
Magaret.......18                D  Schoolteacher
David..............16              S  Miner
John..............14               S Miner
William...........12                   S Miner
Thomas.........10                 S Scholar
Catherine Mary...8             D Scholar
Evan...........6                      S  Scholar

Best Wishes Bethan

[magicnanny]

Hi Bethan,    Thankyou so much that has helped me alot .......I' now have something to go on .
The only thing is the dates don't seem to add up .I know that they sometimes rounded them up to the  0  or 5 ........but there is a big difference between Maggie ,David ,Willie.
the date's are clear in the Bible ,so still a little confused .  I wonder if they are on the 1901 .anywhere or the children
               It does seem so much of a coincidence for them not to have been the mentioned family on cences .

William snr 'My date is,1845.........census 1844
Ann  "         My' date is 1848...................1849
Maggie"       """""""""" 1893....................1873
David ....""""""""""        1895......................1875
John.    """""""""""        1896....................1877
Willie    """""""""""         1848...............1879
Thomas   """""""""          1880...................1881
Cartherine Mary  """"     1882.................1883
Even           """""""""      1884 ..................1885

[Bethan]

Hi Magic I wonder if in the case of Maggie and David the 7's are rounded off and look like 9's.
Another possibility is that some of the dates are death dates and not birth dates, but apart from the dates being a little bit off the places of birth all match.
Catherine and Evan were born in Ystradfodwg and Trealaw is in Ystradfodwg, as is Llwynypia where Maggie and John and Thomas were born.
David was born in Aberdare the same as in the Bible and the Mother Ann's birthplace is spot on.
The only birthplace that is a bit off is William the Father, but both the places named in the census and the bible are in Carmarthen.
I am 99% sure this is the same family, unfortunately I do not have the 1901 census to help you, but I am sure that there is someone on the forum who can do a lookup for you.
Good Luck and best wishes Bethan

Ps... Just had another thought, maybe the dates in the Bible were the dates of  christenings, some people did not get christened until they were adults due to get married

[magicnanny]

Bethan,                 Yes ' do see where you are coming from now .........you are right it does add-up .I' have asked about Llangadock....& Llandeilo a short time ago ,and somebody has come back with its only 5miles apart .  So yes another connection .  Thank you once again for your help .
It will be nice to put it altogether names & places  , as its such a lovely old welsh bible .
            Magic

[magicnanny]

HELP ................not having much luck been trying to find them on 1901 ...anybody out there  ,  maybe have a look for me .......lots of thanks .  magic

[gwynt]

Hi magicnanny,

They are at 27 Miskin Road, Ystradyfodwg and these are the details:-
William Jones Head, Widower, 54, b Llangaddock, Carmarthenshire 
John Jones Son, 24, Coal Hewer, b Ystrad, Glamorgan
William Jones Son, 21, Coal Hewer, b Aberystruth, Monmouth
Thomas Jones Son, 19, Coal Hewer, b Ystrad
Cath M Jones Daughter, 18, Housekeeper b Ystrad
Evan Jones Son, 15, Coal Hewer, b Ystrad

I think Llangaddock is an anglicised version of Llangadog and presumably Ystrad is short for Ystradyfodwg. The whole family were bilingual. The father's occupation looks like 'Porter on T.V. Railway'.

Cheers,
Gwyn

[gwynt]

T.V. Railway looks to be Taff Vale Railway rather than something to do with Thomas the Tank or Ivor the Engine!