Custom House Burning - Part 1 / John Wilson

[Pcdl]

CH Burning - As part of the mountain of paper I've just gotten hold of are copies of the "Freeman's Journal" for the days immediately following the attack.  You all may be familiar with these already so I'll just say that there is some great coverage and photo's, particularly in relation to some of the more recent posts on this thread.  For example, there's a photo of a body being loaded into an ambulance, there's another photo of the prisoners with their hands up that was posted a couple of pages previously (though it is from the rear and not possible to identify the men, but there are 5 of them in this picture).  There's also a photo of an Auxillary with 2 "captured" bicycles left behind (maybe he's taking them away to do the Flann O'Brien test to determine who the owners are!)

[Pcdl]

John Wilson - I don't know if this is at all relevant but I'll put it up anyway.  Part of the documentation from the Allen library is the transcript of a statement by a Mary O'Doherty taken around 1940.  It is stated that this relates to her and her sisters (Teresa) activities as Irish White Cross nurses during 1923 - though the time span has to be wider because of a reference to Patrick Doyle (execeuted 1921).  This is rambling and doesn't flow very well but there is a reference to a young man Wilson who they took to a couple of hospitals to have shot removed from his knee (no first name, no date).  Could this be a reference to John Wilson?  Did he ever have a knee/leg injury?

[Pcdl]

I'm loading part of a photo which I just have a copy of.  I don't know what book it's from but it came with the rest of the stuff on the Doyle brothers.  The caption says that it is a picture of "a woman with her child outside Mountjoy jail while her husband is hanged - 1921"  I believe this is Louisa Doyle with her daughter Kathleen in her arms on the day of Patrick Doyles execution (I'm comparing with another known photo, and the child is the right age/size etc.).  It struck me that the man immediately to the right of the child looks very like one of the men pictured in Kilmainham photo number 3 posted by Kristof (2nd from left back row).  Anyone else see it?  In any case, I don't know who it is.

[Private 1st class]

Hi Nice photo. This section does not ring a bell.Private 1st class.

[seanod]

This all really interesting! I noticed in something I was reading last night that Ned Lane was in the Easter Rising, so he must have been about 15 or 16 then as well. It's these kind of stories I'm looking for - the stories of where people were and what they were doing (and what they were supposed to be doing!) As for the Woods family, Pcdl, I don't know much about them myself, but I'll see if I can find out anything else about them. In reference to the picture of Patrick Doyle's wife, take another look at the picture! Mrs Doyle and that man are identical. If you can find out Louise Doyle's maiden name, I'm sure you'll have his name too. Like the Flann O'Brien reference. Ah, the two speed gears! They are a power for the hills ... 

[Pcdl]

Hi Seanod, there's another thread on this site I came across recently (cause there was a reference to Patrick Doyle).  The guy that posted was looking for info on an Albert Brock (who married Patrick Doyle's widow, Louisa, in 1928).  I got some information on her/Pat and their family which I put up last night also.  Take a look here;
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,373655.0.html

Louisa's maiden name was Herbert and she was from Scotland.  You're right they do look alike and he could be a brother, but I don't have any further info than what I posted (yet anyway).  I've been searching the 1911 census to see if I can find the right Doyle family but with no luck - I want to find out where they grew up.  I still have some stuff to go through and hopefully I'll find a clue there.  I did find a death notice for Sean Doyle in the Freeman's jounal which mentions Sean's late father (another Patrick of Bray, Wicklow) but I have been concentrating on Dublin up to now, so maybe that's another avenue.

I was just wondering have you ever heard of people purposly giving false information in the census?  Strikes me that might be something that could have happened in 1911 to frustrate the authorites, but I don't know if there's any substance to that notion.

[seanod]

Hi, I have had a similar problem with the O'Reilly brothers. I know they came from the Jones' Road area but I can't find them in the Census at all. As they were Gaeilgeoirí I have tried Ua Raghailligh, Ua Rathaile and every permutation I can think of  but with no result. I con't know if people were prosecuted for not giving their census details? Anyway, I just had a look and Louisa Herbert was living at Fitzwilliam Place North (Arran Quay, Dublin) in the 1911 Census. She had a brother called Matthew who was 26 at that time, so he could be the man in the picture, who would then be in his mid 30s. 

[Private 1st class]

Hi, when you look at a face with a hat on it can change that face. Same with women's hair. Can make a big difference to the face. People can be missing for a number of reasons. I have to look at the 1901 census to see if he was there on the night. He developed croup and was sent to the country. If he is not there in 1901 it will give me an idea as to when he was sent to the country. He spent nine years in the country and is back for the 1911. It narrows the time . It has taken me forty five years to get information on a man and women. The reason she was not on the census was she was living in Aldershot. We don't realise how much we move around. The same with the housing . They moved around so much. Not very far . Meaby a mile or less. Best of luck. Keep going. Private 1st class

[Pcdl]

Thanks Seanod....hopefully I'll be able to pull all the bits together and come up with some answers.

Private1stclass - it is very difficult to identify people from this period as you say.........the fact thet everyone seems to wear hats, same style clothes, haircuts etc., they all end up looking very similar.