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Re: Tidbury Havill EDWARDS - The Black Sheep
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 29 October 09 14:06 GMT (UK) »
Hi
In regards to the first name. The data entry was typed as Tedbury Havill Edwards.
Methodist 1921.
Place of worship Huntingdon (Methodist Church and Presbyterian and Church of England).
Quebec Vital and Church Records Droiun Collection 1621-1967.

When you look at the transcript it is hard to say it could be Tidbury, however there is no dot above the letter. Unlike in Havill there is a definite i.

Kathy

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Re: Tidbury Havill EDWARDS - The Black Sheep
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 29 October 09 15:23 GMT (UK) »
When you look at the transcript it is hard to say it could be Tidbury, however there is no dot above the letter. Unlike in Havill there is a definite i.

Kathy

Yes, it makes it hard to tell sometines.  Even comparing other words on the page doesn't always help.  A little dot can be hard to see too, and may not have survived the digitisation process - especially the greyscale scans that we are generally used to seeing with some of these images.

For what it is worth, Google says that Tidbury is a far more common  word than Tedbury.  Also i think the fact that Tidbury calls himself as such points to that being the correct spelling.   ;D



Having said that, i thought that i would throw in something else that i have found.

Although not strictly related to the original posters question about what happened to T H Edwards, i think it does serve to show that handwriting can be hard to decipher if nothing else.  It may even be helpful . ;)

The 1891 UK census shows (according to the machine readable transcription) one Thomas Tedbury Havill, aged 71,  as residing at 40 Lower Budleigh(street?), East Budleigh, Devon, England.  Also residing there is Clarissa, aged 72, Thomas' wife.

The scan of that census page is pretty clear but you still can not say for sure that the word handwritten there is not Tidbury.  For instance, there is a Catherine a couple of lines down on the same page, and there is definitely no dot above the i in Catherine.  There are probably other examples on the page but i don't need to list them to illustrate my point.

I am editing this post to add a couple of interesting links about the above Havill(they all think it is spelled Tedbury ???):
http://www.geoffnutting.me.uk/havilltree/havillfam.htm
http://www.btinternet.com/~keymer.recording/tree4/tomted.htm


Back to the subject though - perhaps cando is right and T H Edwards is still alive.  Maybe in Canada?

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Re: Tidbury Havill EDWARDS - The Black Sheep
« Reply #20 on: Friday 30 October 09 02:14 GMT (UK) »
hi all,
      thomas tedbury havill is tidbury havill edwards grt.grt. grandfather.
i really appreciate you all taking an interest in this. thankyou all very much.

             kinnander

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Re: Tidbury Havill EDWARDS - The Black Sheep
« Reply #21 on: Friday 30 October 09 02:40 GMT (UK) »
i really appreciate you all taking an interest in this.

Hi kinnander

Do you know when (what year approx.) it was that the family lost touch with T H Edwards?  It would be useful to know this information as it would narrow down the years needed to be searched.

Also, do you have any input/insights regarding the apparent listing of him on the 1949 ACT electoral roll?

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Re: Tidbury Havill EDWARDS - The Black Sheep
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 28 November 09 21:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi All,

Sorry, I had no idea this thread was still going. In answer to your questions duinnsleibhe I do think it is the same Tidbury living in Canberra in 1949. I think the last year his family saw him was in 1942. He had already been A.W.L. many times and chances are his father told him he was a disgrace or that he was ashamed to call him his son (Tidbury's father served in both world wars, Tidbury's mother lost 3 brothers in WWI and Tidbury's brother died in New Guinea in WWII). Tidbury boarded a train for Pukapunyal in Victoria in 1942 and told his sister to tell mum I'll turn up one day like a bad penny. That was the last time they saw him. In 1944 he was arrested and detained for desertion and sentanced to 12 months detention. The family went to the military prison to see him but when the guard told tidbury his family was here to see him he told the guard that he didn't have a family and that he was an orphan.

There was also a rumor that in the 70's or 80's someone saw a death notice for a Tidbury Edwards in a N.S.W local newspaper. This Tidbury was in his 20's and died in a motorcycle accident. The spectulation was that Tidbury had a son but no one has since been able to find any trace of this death notice.

Cheers.
Eupham  :)

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Re: Tidbury Havill EDWARDS - The Black Sheep
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 29 November 09 05:45 GMT (UK) »
Just wondering where he was in prison?

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Re: Tidbury Havill EDWARDS - The Black Sheep
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 29 November 09 08:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi Judith,

I think the prison was at Singleton but I will have to get back to you on that one.

Cheers
Eupham.

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Re: Tidbury Havill EDWARDS - The Black Sheep
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 29 November 09 22:08 GMT (UK) »
You have a photo MAYFIELD HOUSE, TAS............. also name POOLE. Ever heard of the Pooles of Mayfield, Cork? There is a book by Rosemary ffolliatt (genealogist) re same. 
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Re: Tidbury Havill EDWARDS - The Black Sheep
« Reply #26 on: Monday 30 November 09 11:39 GMT (UK) »
Hi Lorraine,

My Mayfield house was named after Mayfield, Derbyshire, by T Buxton.  I had seen Rosemary's book and whilst I think her Poole's and mine are all originally from the Poole's of Cheshire, no connection can be made.

Anyhow we must not hijack Tidbury's thread as he may still be alive, and I have already insulted his hair style.

Regards, Aussie Bob