John Morey

[sp1jpe]

My wife is descended directly from John Morey, who in the 1851 census is aged 41, living at 138 New Lane, Havant (his daughter Jane married Thomas Scrivener at Portsea in 1857, and this is the line I have followed). John Morey was born Emsworth according to the census, and his wife was Elizabeth, but I have found no marriage details, and the nearest candidate for the John Morey I am looking to follow was baptised at Havant (Saint Faith) in 1806. The age does not quite tally, and I cannot establish that they are one and the same person. Can anyone establish a link, or know of another John Morey?
Many thanks
JohnE

[groom]

Hi

Have you seen this family in 1841 transcibed as Moorey - is it the same family?

HO107 piece 370 book 1  Warblington Hampshire

John Moorey 30  Labourer
Elizabeth Moorey 30
William Moorey 11
Jane Moorey 10
John Moorey 8
Edward Moorey 5
Susan Moorey 3 mths

All born in county. Living in West ? Street, Warblington.

If this is the family it looks as if the marriage would be about 1830.

Jan

[sp1jpe]

Thanks for the reply, Jan. I had not spotted the 1841 entry - It is the same family. I was guessing a marriage around 1830, but have not found it, or a definite link to the John Morey born 1806.
JohnE

[groom]

Hi

Sorry, forgot to welcome you to Rootschat 

In the 1841 censuses there is a John Morey born 1806 living in Northwood Hampshire married to a Mary. This may be the one you have found, in which case he isn't yours.

Jan

[Little Nell]

Welcome from me too 

I've checked other baptisms in the area for John Morey and at present, the one baptised in Havant in 1806, parents Abraham and Fanny does seem the most likely candidate.  The only one born around 1809/10 was baptised in Portsmouth which is not really same.  Emsworth did not become a separate parish (formed from Warblington) until 1841 and both are very close to Havant.  I'd be happy with that despite the disparity in the recorded age.

I've found these baptisms in Warblington:

William 2 Aug 1829
Jane  19 Jun 1831
John  05 Jan 1834 
Edward   14 Feb 1836                                       
Elizabeth  1 Jul 1838                                     
George 14 Mar 1841                                         

I'm struggling with a marriage though 

Nell

[groom]

Hi Nell

The only trouble with that one is that he could be the one in the 1841 census married to Mary, and John said the wife was Elizabeth. Can you see any more that fit in the censuses?

Jan

[sp1jpe]

Jan, Nell
Thanks for your efforts on this. Do the baptisms give the parents' names? Most of them seem to correspond well, but George born in 1841 is a problem as there is a Susan aged 3 months in the 1841 census. I appreciate your efforts; Jane Morey married Thomas Scrivener (Royal Marines) in 1857, and after he left the Marines they came to live in Chesterfield, and one of their daughters then married a man from Sheffield, which is where we live. Thus it would be difficult for me to come down to search for original records. I am certain that the John and Elizabeth Morey in 1851 census are the right couple, but it is proving difficult to go further back.
Any further efforts appreciated.
JohnE

[Little Nell]

The baptisms I listed were for children all with the parents' names John & Elizabeth Morey.

I was puzzled by the lack of one for Susan, but she does not appear on the 1851 census either.  George doesn't appear on the 1841 census, but is on the 1851.  Most odd.  The 1841 census was taken in June that year.

The John Morey married to Mary is living on the Isle of Wight and I sort of expect him to have been born there. Morey is a name found quite frequently on the Isle of Wight as well as mainland Hampshire.

Nell

[sp1jpe]

I have now found a John Morey born 19 Dec, 1809, baptised 21 Jan 1810 at St Thomas, Portsmouth.; parents Joseph and Elizabeth. The date is consistent with the John Morey I am trying to trace; is it likely that someone recorded in 1851 as 'born Emsworth' would have been baptised at St Thomas, Portsmouth? I also have a clue as to the missing marriage - Elizabeth Morey is 'born Emsworth' acc. to 1851 census, but in 1861, she is a widow 'born Fishbourne, Sussex' (her surname is transcribed as 'Marry'. Perhaps I need to look at Sussex.
Thanks for your continuing help.
JohnE