Ambrose Crowley-Winlaton ironworks

[WolfieSmith]

A marriage recorded in the Newcastle Courant, Fri 20th Aug 1869 :

"At Newcastle, at St. Johns Church, on the 12th inst., Mr. Edward Spoor of Rye Hill, to Jane, daughter of the late John Spencer Esq. of Lemington Hall".

From earlier articles, the Spencers appear to be living at Lemington Hall in 1861. Parts of Newburn are missing from the 1861 census, so it looks like Lemington Hall may be among the missing pages.

http://www.findmypast.co.uk/help-and-advice/knowledge-base/census/known-issues#3

Alan.

[patrexjax]

Hello again!  Edward Spoor was a widower when he married Jane Spencer.  His first wife, Isabella Rochester, had died after they had, I think, 4 children, 3 of whom died at a young age.  I have many details on Edward Spoor and his parents as he is my first cousin 4 x removed. If you make another posting we will be able to exhange PM (personal messages) if you are interested.     patrexjax

[ChristopherBarst44]

thank you very much indeed for both your replies which are  extremely helpful. Jane Spencer is my 2nd great grand aunt, her father being my 3rd great grandfather. I would like to know where Jane and her brothers received their education. Is there any resource covering Northumberland which enables me to find out?
I am also interested in the Spoor family. do you know the names, dates of birth and death of her parents and their occupations.
As I previously explained I am new to this site but will now explore the pm system.
Best wishes
Yrs
Christopher

[Tickettyboo]

Has anybody come across a Philip Spencer living in the 19th Century and described as a nail manufacturer of Swalwell? I think he died in the 1860s. Also I am looking for further details  John Spencer's daughter Jane born 1822 who married a Spoor?

The 1835 Parochial Survey of Whickham covers parts of Swalwell. There is an entry for a Philip Spencer, who may be yours :

Page    43
Abode                           Swalwell, Pringle Yard
Name                           Philip
Surname                           SPENCER
Others                           & Wife
Sons                                   1
Drs                                   1
Lod                                   1
Serv                                   1
Tot                                   6
Occupation                    Blacksmith
Denomination                   Churchman

Means of Religs                  Regular Attendance at Church
Instruction                           Sacrament of the Lords Supper
                                        Reads or is able to read
                                        Prayer Book
                                        Bible
                                        Family Prayers

School                           blank
   
Married                           N'Castle

Remarks                           blank

The original document is held at Durham Records Office.
Ref: EP/Whm 29

Description:  Parochial survey giving names of parishioners, their occupations, denominations, education, place of marriage, size of family, etc. prepared by W. Gould, curate, 1835

Boo

[ChristopherBarst44]

Many thanks. This is very helpful. I am pretty sure this is the right Philip Spencer. I now need to find how he is related to John Spencer of Newburn (1785-1867). Philip was the guarantor of various leases of John Spencer's.

[WolfieSmith]

Christopher,

Philip Spencer is on census 1841-1861 in Swalwell / Whickham, a Blacksmith, employing 25 men in 1851 so very successful.  I assume you have these. He is down as born Swalwell / Whickham around 1800, so this will probably be his baptism at Whickham St. Mary:

22 Sep 1799. Phillip Spencer. Born 30th Jun 1799. 6th son of Michael Spencer of Swalwell (Smith, native of Ryton) by his wife Elizabeth (native of Ponteland, daughter of Philip Oxley).

Not sure how this ties in with what you know of John Spencer.

Alan.

[ChristopherBarst44]

Alan
Thanks very much. My John Spencer (1785-1867) was the son of William Spencer (1761-1790), the grandson of Thomas Spencer (1732-1790) and the great grandson of William Spencer (b. abt. 1701-aft1752). All these Spencers were born in Winlaton Mill and worked for Crowleys as file smiths.

It is possible that Philip Spencer's father was Michael Spencer (1757-1836), and that his father was William Spencer died Winlaton 1784 or William Spencer died WI Mill ( is WI Mill the same as Winlaton Mill) 1764. I know that John Spencer's great grandfather William  had a son called William  so if Philip's grandfather was the same William, then that would make John and Philip second cousins. What do you think?
Yrs
Christopher

[WolfieSmith]

Christopher,

Yes that seems very likely and yes Wl Mill on the Ryton Parish registers is Winlaton Mill.

I've just read some of your detailed history of the Spencer Family essay on your Family Tree on Ancestry (found when searching for Philip Spencer), really fascinating.  My wifes GGGGGF and his three of his sons, including her GGGGF all lived in Newburn in the 1840's and 50's and worked as Spring Makers, File Makers and File Hardeners so presumably worked in the Spencer Factory. All came from Yorkshire, how they ended up in Newburn is a mystery.

A few snippets that aren't on your essay that may be of interest,  from things I noted when looking for a connection between John and Philip :

Regarding Johns oldest son William :

Burial at Newburn. 29 April 1839. William Spencer, age 25, File Maker.

Newcastle Courant. Fri 3 May 1839.

Died. The 28th ult. at Newburn, age 25, much respected, William, eldest son of Mr. John Spencer of the firm of Messrs J. and W. Spencer, Steel File and Spring Manufacturers. Mr. S. arrived from off a journey only on the previous Friday, was attacked with an inflammation the same evening and died on the Sunday morning.

Regarding Johns brother William, I was hoping to find a connection to Philip from him :

Baptism at Newburn. 22 Feb 1824. Jane, daughter of William and Bridget Spencer of Newburn. File Manufacturer.

Burial at Newcastle St. Nicholas. 20 Feb 1829. Bridget Spencer, age 47, of Scotch Wood.

Newcastle Courant. Sat 28 Feb 1829.

On Monday last at Scotch Wood, Mrs Spencer, wife of Mr. William Spencer, and daughter of the late Mr. Joseph Marshall of this town.

Marriage at Newcastle St. John. 2 Feb 1834, William Spencer of Newburn, and Esther Gardiner of this Parish. By License. Groom a Widower, Bride a Spinster.

Newcastle Courant Fri 25 Oct 1839,

The 26th inst, in Blenheim St. in this town, aged 56, Mr William Spencer, much respected, of the firm of John and William Spencer, manufacturers. 

1841 census. Blenheim St., Newcastle,
Esther Spencer, 45, Ind., N,
William Spencer, 15, App. Patent Axle Maker, N,
HO107/824/14/3.

Johns wife Barbara burial :

Newcastle Courant. Fri Feb 8th 1861.

At Lemington Hall on the 5th inst., aged 78, much respected and deeply regretted, Barbara, wife of John Spencer Esq.

Hope this is useful,

Alan.

[Michael Tench]

Hello Mr. Tibbs,
My name is Michael Tench and I am trying to tie the branches of the Tench family in the North East with my branches in Shropshire, Worcestershire and Cheshire. They may have travelled with the Crowley family from this area to the North East.
I wonder if you could give your earliest Tench ancestor names and dates to see if I could tie them in to the overall Tench family
Thanks
Michael Tench