Thomas & Agnes Holman Nee Nelder Cornwall / Devon 1871 & 1881

[toni*]

Hello,

I am calling on your expertise again

Thomas Holman was bp. 06.12.1811 Kenwyn

according to the census (1851 & 1861) Agnes Nelder was born circa 1811 Totnes or Dartington Devon

in Q3 1846 they married in Plymouth (area) 9 444

in 1851 they are transcribed as Halman in Stoke Damarel Devon with 2 children James aged 8 and Thomas aged 4
ho107 1882 387 24
Thomas worked on the railroad and by 1861 they were
in  Liskeard rg9 1530 9 12 without young James

then they vanish until 1883 when Agnes dies :

Deaths Sep 1883   
HOLMAN  Agnes   aged 72  Bideford  5b 309
(this ties in with her y.o.b as 1811)

can anyone find them ? and Does James belong to Thomas or just Agnes?


many thanks

Toni

[groom]

Hi Toni

Was Thomas dead by 1881? If so this might be Agnes:

1881  RG 11 piece 2244 Folio 131 page 37  Barnstable Devon

Agnes Holman abt 1811 born Alvington Devon  Widow
patient in North Devon Infirmary Barnstable.

I see she died in Bideford which I think is about 10 miles from Barnstable.


Jan

[toni*]

Hi Jan i've no idea what happened to them after 1861 but thats not Agnes
sorry i should have said there is also a Agnes Holman b. circa 1808-1811 Alwington  / Alvington married i think - from memory - to James she appears on the 1861 1871 & 1881 census that i have seen


added 
in which case the death may be this Agnes and not my Agnes 

[Trees]

I can't find a birth for a James Nelder anywhere near the time we want
There are  James Holman s in Cornwall    1843 and 1844 Helston , Redruth and Falmouth so I think they look more likely so do you think Agnes was a second wife?

[toni*]

Hi Trees
that thought hadnt crossed my mind 

i can't spot themanywhere not even sailing off into the sunset and even if the parents died i can find no trace of the children and with Thomas working on the railway he could be anywhere, i didn't really want to purchase certificates as Thomas is not my direct line he being brother of my gt gt grandfather.

[Trees]

I know the feeling only too well it would cost a fortune if we bought every certificate to clear up the many mysteries.
H,

[toni*]

I think i am going to have to leave this one until i can afford certificates
 

[JulesB]

I have not been into this site for quite awhile and have noticed your queries regarding Thomas Holman & Agnes Nelder.

My connection is through my mother.  Her grandfather was Thomas Holman and I have the marriage certificate of Thomas married to Emily Alma Williams in 1878.  Thomas's details are as follows - Bachelor aged 30 birthplace Liskeard, Cornwall.  Occup - Miner.  Parents - Thomas Holman (labourer) and Agnes Holman (maiden surname Nelder).  Witnesses were  John Hollow & John Birch.

By the time Thomas had died in 1922, his son Thomas was the informant and he new neither his grandfathers first name nor his grandmothers first or last names.  Drat.

Next I have the marriage certificate of Thomas Holman to Agnes Nelder in 1846 both full age and listed as bachelor and spinster.  This Thomas has his profession as Railroad Labourer and living at Millbry at the time of this marriage.  His father is listed as James Holman - Miner.

Agnes signed with her mark and was listed as living at Gooseberry Lane at the time of the marriage and her father is listed as John Nelder - Mason.  By the way the marriage was at the Parish Church in the Parish of St Andrew, Plymouth in the county of Devon.  Witnesses to the marraige were William Henry Anderson & Mary Ann Anderson.

That is all I have but would be most interested if you have found out anything else on this line.

Julie Burnett

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[toni*]

Hi Julie thanks for your message, you will have to remove your email as its RC policy and it is a public forum so unless you want to have a load of spam emails  i have noted it down now though, thanks

I will send you an email.

all the best
Toni -