Never searched before but would like to find out more about Minns, County Durham

[Boongie Pam]

Woohoo - you were quick.  Yes the Mackay McKay M'Kay will be a pain - one of the down sides of the site.

One thing to remember is that Death certs in Scotland are the BEST, well the best in the UK.
So the father's certs will move you back 1 generation on 4 lines.

They name both parents including maiden names as long as they were known by the informant.  This can help in finding birth places in conection with the 1881 census.  I'll have a look at that census tonight see if I can find anything useful (if someone else can get there before me great.)  What is the parish of marriage I can't read it and can't manipulate the image in work 

Pam
 

[MacBraveheart]

Woohoo - you were quick.  Yes the Mackay McKay M'Kay will be a pain - one of the down sides of the site.

One thing to remember is that Death certs in Scotland are the BEST, well the best in the UK.
So the father's certs will move you back 1 generation on 4 lines.

They name both parents including maiden names as long as they were known by the informant.  This can help in finding birth places in conection with the 1881 census.  I'll have a look at that census tonight see if I can find anything useful (if someone else can get there before me great.)  What is the parish of marriage I can't read it and can't manipulate the image in work 

Pam
 

OK- havenae left yet for Edinburgh so I will quickly reply-

St Nicholas was mentioned as where they came from/were married but this seems to read Woodside, Parish of Tarbollen or something and the church was East Parish Church, Aberdeen. 

All the references I can find to a parish church (east or otherwise) in Woodside are for those in the Woodside parish and this is clearly NOT reading Woodside only.

[Boongie Pam]

Hmm there is a Tarbolton in Ayrshire.  I reckon the 1881 will 'fess up and help.

P

[carol8353]

Cancel this mesage- I didn't realise there was more to read 

[MacBraveheart]

Hmm there is a Tarbolton in Ayrshire.  I reckon the 1881 will 'fess up and help.

P

Tarbolton is indeed in Ayrshire- and so is Woodside.  Now to find a James ewen born there.  And his family...? 

So far I DO find a 1881 census record for Lizzie, 21 year old daughter (depending on when the birthday is she could have been 21 already the month they did the census) to a DOROTHY (and not a Margaret) Stephen, widow who originates from "Tullynessie (?)" (the question mark is included).

Could Margaret McGregor have had a middle name of Dorothy?  Also- Lizzie's household was in domestic service (as shown on her marriage licence) and she has a brother called George (as her father was).  Of course the woman Dorothy is 67 the year that Lizzie was 21- what if he had a divorce or even was the father to another woman's child (this Margaret McGregor) and had his wife "adopt" Lizzie?  Grasping at straws here and may well be confusing things too much.

I didn't go to Edinburgh afterall...

[MacBraveheart]

Assuming that James was frae Ayshire and that his father was a journeyman during his life until his death it is getting frustrating- I cannot seem to get any further with this part of the family.

Even Lizzie is hard to trace back on, what with "her" record having her daughter to a widow Dorothy of Aberdeen.

I have spent a fortune on credits and am actually beginning to search down avenues I need not research- it is so confusing.

Now then- what of the Minns family?  Can anyone tell me how to do similar with Stephen's parents?  I suspect his dad was a Michael but I appear not to have the same type of proof (remember the McGregor- Florence's mum Lizzie's mum's maiden name?)

[Boongie Pam]

Let me just drag you back there on cotton pickin' minute... 

There's one more site to try...

http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp

This the Church of the Latter Day Saints (I promise I'm not trying to drag you into a cult  ) They are big on the one world family thing so are THE biggest provider of Genealogy stuff.  You alerady know the 1881 census is there for Eng & Wal but it also has the IGI which is an index of births marriages and deaths from old parish registers.  There's loads of tips and explanations on this site about different aspects of teh IGI.  BUt for now...

I got your James Ewen Mackay.   

Batch number  C111681
Which is from the OPR of Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen (there is a Woodside in Aberdeen)

JAMES EWAN MC KAY

Father:  GEORGE MC KAY  Mother:  ELIZABETH EWAN
16 AUG 1858

I would persue that birth record on Scotlandspeople as it will give the date of marriage for Elizabeth and George.  The other kids for them are

 1. MARY WALKER MAC KAY
Gender: Female Birth: 13 JAN 1856 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland
 
 2. GEORGINA IRVINE MACKAY
Gender: Female Birth: 25 JUN 1861 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland
 
 3. JAMES EWAN MC KAY
Gender: Male Birth: 16 AUG 1858 Saint Nicholas, Aberdeen, Aberdeen, Scotland

You may get very lucky if Mary was their first child and they could of been married post 1855 so it could be registered - if not (from James birth) then the OPR doesn't often give much more info.

Pam
 

[MacBraveheart]

His birth certificate is the right one (THANK YOU YET again!) but still no dates for his parents- it is not contained!  Isn't that annoying?

Yes, I was aware of the Woodside in Aberdeen- even found the modern day church of East Parish Church.  LOL!  I suppose he was born in St Nicholas after all and went to live in Ayrshire to return to his own parish to be married...?

[Boongie Pam]

Ok then I've had a look at the Minns - hope you are having a sunny holiday 

1901 Census
(normally pay per view at http://www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ )

St Edmund the King 
Bearpark 
Durham 

 
RG13/4676
Reg District: Durham 
Sub district: St Oswald 
ED: 30 Folio: 15 Page: 5
Household schedule number: 19

John Robson Rome  Head  52  Coal Miner Engine plane? man  Carrella, Durham
Margret Jane Home  Wife 49  Pittington, Durham
John Robson Home  Son  17  Coal Miner Pony Rutter? Silttsworth, Durham
Mary Home Daughter 12  Framuelgate Moor, Durham
Stephen Minns Son-in-law 23  Coal Miner Hewer Easington Lane, Durham
Lavinia Minns  Daughter 20  Tudhoe, Durham


I'll work backwards on other census now.  The real confirmation on whether this is the right Stephen Minns would be the marriage cert between Lavinia and Stephen.  He is however the only Stephen Minns on the 1901 census.

The Eastington Lane entry that Fifer mentioned is here and appears to be yours.

RG12/4117
Durham
Reg Dist: Houghton Le Spring 
Sub district: Hetton le Hole 
ED: 9 Folio: 116 Page: 11

No 47 Bridkarth?

Michal Minns Head M 52 Coale Miner Durham Easington Lane
Margret Minns Wife M 48 Northumberland
George Hall Minns son 21? Coale Miner Durham Easington Lane
Ralph Phenwick? Minns son 15 Poney Driver in mine Durham Easington Lane
Stephen Minns son 13 Scholar Durham Easington Lane
Fredric Minns son 11 Scholar Durham Easington Lane
Aflred Minns son 8 Scholar Durham Easington Lane

I just want to say that the bits in red are as they appear on the census and not me being mad! 

So I'll let you find the 1881 http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp

Don't want to spoil all the fun!


RG10/4985
Houghton Le Spring
Hetton le Hole
ED: 8
Folio: 40 Page: 38
Household schedule number: 189

Michael Minns Head  32 Coal Miner Easington Lane, Durham
Margaret Minns Wife 28  Campertown, Northumberland
George H Minns Son 7 Scholar Hullgarth, Durham
Isabella F Minns Daughter 5 Scholar Easington Lane, Durham
Mary Minns Daughter  3  Easington Lane, Durham
Thomas Minns Son 1  Easington Lane, Durham

So that's all the census I have access to.  You could put requests on the Durham board for 1851 & 1841.  The latter would get you Michael's parents.

Now using the IGI as mentioned and linked in previous posts on this thread we can look for Michael Minns marriage and birth - finger's crossed.
Not looking good 

Anywho that's a starter.

Pam