CARTER family from Paulton somerset.

[dochines]

I have gone out of the frying pan into the fire !  I have recently finished a major piece of work on the Smith family of Gloucesterwhich was also a nightmare. The search started in Rural Surrey and then went To Gloucester ended in Farringdon Gurney in Somerset with a name Spark(e)s! This was my Sister in law's family

To my amazement I have now arrived with another nightmare name Carter in Poulton, the very next village!!!

and guess what!        there is a marriage of a Carter to a Sparkes

Is it going to be a case of what goes round comes round  Have my brother and I chosen wives that are distantly related from 250 years ago.  That looks my next challenge to prove or disprove this theory

Thanks for your help and guidance

dochines

[Trees]

As you can see I had already thought that your George was the one married to Rosina Curtis. You are also right a Reuben CARTER m Elizabeth SPARKES 25 Dec 1838 Paulton and of course they had a George among their 10 children it looks like their George and his twin  Reuben were born 5 aug 1845sadly both twins died just 7 days old they were baptised the day they died. This Reuben was bap 24 Dec 1820 Paulton son of yet another Reuben bap 3 Sep 1779 and Betty from Magotsfield Gls
oh dear if this is your line we relate!
it goes like this
Simon CARTER m Mary Millard 25 Nov 1739 Paulton they had 9 ch
the 2nd ch was James who married Ann Maggs 5x gt grandparents on our tree 4th ch Reuben m  Mary TUCKER their 3rd ch was the Reubens who m Betty? these are the pair I mention with the Reubens 1820.
H

[Trees]

A quick post before I go off for the weekend   Liza and Ray are you onboard?
I can't locate Jacob Carter's baptism (have you made any progress with him? but Martha HOOK was baptised 22 Mar 1794 high Littleton dau of Ann Hook
now two of Jacob and Martha's children were bap in the Wesleyan chapel in Midsommer Norton which gives the mother's parents names
Kezia bap 1 Oct 1826 mother's parents were Thomas and Nanny HOOK
John bap 3 Apr 1831 mother's parents were Thomas Broadrib and Anne HOOK

Jacob and Martha Hook were the parents of Reuben who married Mary Robbins who we think are parents of George who married Rosina
Martha HOOK died in the second Cholera out break as did her 8th child John  mentioned above
Martha buried 19 Nov 1849 John buried 8 Nov 1849 Marthas age was given as 47 which can't be correct Bath BMD gives 57 which is correct

so we have a rare find of an illegitimate child's father
H

[dochines]

Hi Hazel,

Don't be tempted to look at this until you return from your week end away!!  I have traced and agree with you about most of the names and dates in your last email. I spent last night looking up the cholera epidemic which as a medic interested me. 

What do you think of a possible match for Jacob's baptism  1 12 1793 at St Julians Church Wellow son of Benjamin Carter and Ann ( Parish Reg file no 5001 no register number )?  This seemed the best match I could find

I was pleased about finding the  thomas broadrib name from the baptism records. It suggest Nanny or Annie married between the baptisms of Kezia and john thiat is between 1 oct 1826 and 5 nov 1830

ken  dochines

[LisaOz]

Hi all

What a great site.

This George Carter is my gg grandfather:

"George son of John and Priscilla Pain  bap 22 May 1842 Paulton m Mary Ann Gregory"

So excited to learn his parents names

Also very jealous of those living close enough to pop over to the cemetary!

cheers

L

[Trees]

Welcome Lisa Oz ask if you need any clarification of what we have found or if you can add anything to the family  That's what Rootschat is all about sharing the load.
Ken I hate to say this but I don't think Ann ever married in fact she had 5 children between 1784 and 1802 and apart from Martha's father being Thomas Broadrib and John born 1788 with a father William Challener I can#t see who the fathers of the other children were
Put  Ann HOOK 1784+- 10 in Free Reg  http://www.freereg.org.uk/cgi/Search.pl for the other children
I am a little worried about the 1793 baptism his census and burial age all suggest nearer 1788 but it could be a late baptism I wonder if anyone can check the record to see if an age at baptism was mentioned or if any other children of the family were baptised at the same time which would also suggest a late baptism lets mark that with caution for the moment its the nearest we have so far He didn't have a Benjamin but his first daughter was and Ann I had assumed after Martha's mother I just feel his father is going to be another Reuben but that's pure supposition. There is a 5 year gap between Lea Oct 1783 and George March 1788 in the children of Reuben and Mary nee TUCKER and that George wasn't baptised or at least no baptism has been found yet.  Jacob's first son was Reuben and the census returns say he was from Paulton. I just have a feeling he fits that family. But what happened to the Wellow chap if we can trace him a bit further it may be useful.
we had a good break thanks Ken and found a bit more about our Oxford family
H.

[Trees]

Lisa not sure how far you have got back here is the direct line for you to compare
John bap 27 Dec 1818 Paulton son of John & Mary nee SYMES (his second wife 7 known children he had 6 ch with first wife Eleanor AMESBURY)
John bap 24 May 1778 Paulton son of Steohen and Elizabeth nee MANDRELL( 6 known ch)
Stephen bap 5 Apr 1741 Paulton son of William & Martha (4 known ch)
Ask if you want the marriages and children etc
H.

[RayDen]

Ken I hate to say this but I don't think Ann ever married in fact she had 5 children between 1784 and 1802 and apart from Martha's father being Thomas Broadrib and John born 1788 with a father William Challener I can#t see who the fathers of the other children were

Hi Trees and all

Trees, as we have previously discussed, I believe that my George is the son of Jacob Carter and Martha Hook (daughter of Ann(e) Hook and Thomas Broadribb).   As you say Ann(e) had 5 children between 1784 & 1802, however I think there are 4 identified fathers:

1784  Abraham son of Abraham Cook
1788  John son of William Challenger
1794  Martha daughter of Thomas Challenger
1796  David son of James Stickler
1802  Ann (Father unknown)

An interesting aside is on 24 April 1844 under the burial entry of James CHALLENGER of Clutton, aged 22, is a note "James CHALLENGER was killed fighting with David HOOK of High Littleton." It should be noted that a William CHALLENGER of Clutton was the father of John HOOK, David's bastard half brother, born in 1788.

All the above information taken from the High Littelton History site:
http://www.highlittletonhistory.org.uk

Its ages since we spoke about the Carters, but it seems to me that the more we talk the more complicated it gets!!!  I would love to put this to bed.  As I said previously I think my George was from Jacob & Martha - but who knows!!!

[Trees]

Hi Ray glad you are on board its amazing how we keep being pulled back to the Carter family we had a great discussion and sorted many areas between us before fil took ill. He still has many problems but we are coping a little better now but still desperate to get back down West. I had quite forgotten the other fathers of Ann's children thank you for the link.
Ken do look at the High Littleton site Ray has given it has a good piece about the Cholera precautions that village took apart from the family interest. Must sign off for tonight I was up very early this morning
H