CARTER family from Paulton somerset.

[Trees]

Looking at the mysterious Thomas Badger iburried with the Shellard. His birth from the MI was about 1811 and as he died in 1845 I looked at the 1841 census There is one lodging with som Philips  all born out of county. So I looked on Family Search I wondered if he was another son of Edward
There is a Thomas bap 07 JUL 1811 Wesleyan, Stourbridge, Worcester son of Edward and MARIA born 5 Jul 1811
There is only one in Hereford he is bap 16 Ap 1809 son of Thomas and Elizabeth
Is it worth persuing the Edward and Maria up?
H

[astley7]

These Badgers always a mystery entailed. The name on the grave is w Thomas would he be a William Thomas tho. Its strange that he is in with Thomas if not related in some way the Headstone was sandstone quite large and inscripted if he was a pauper I dont think the family would have had that put on the headstone. I know they burried Paupers in graves with others but I think if you can put that inscription on the headstone then they had some funds to put this person in a grave with a wooden cross.
It looks as tho it was Thomas,s grave as he was burried first, not vice verse.
The plot thickens.
talking to the historian yesterday stated that they must have been English all welsh speaking had graves inscripted in welsh. No one spoke english unless you moved into Merthyr hence they use of the english speaking Chapel all other services in the area where conducted in Welsh for the time.
Lisa

[toni*]

W could mean anything was it a little W or a capital?
Widow of Thoams Badger
Wife of Thomas Badger

[RayDen]

In the deaths uncovered by Lisa we have a Thomas Badger buried in 1845 age 24.  The death register shows a date of 15 March whilst the MI shows 11 March.  e.g. he died 11th and was buried on the 15th.  The age 24 could easily have been wrongly transcribed as 34.

On the 1841 census there is a Thomas Badger (25 years - rounded up?) with a Mary Badger (40 I think? - rounded down) both born outside county.  Family search has 4 Thomas Badgers with a mother Mary 1820, 1821 and 1822.

Thomas is also shown as a Grocer, I think, my census doc is not very clear.

Whilst very interesting I don't think this is related to Edward or James.

I do however have some doubts about James mother being Martha or Maria.  Lisa did you see the original document? could Maria be wrongly transcribed as Martha.  Why did James and Rebecca name first child Maria?  After his mother/her mother or just because they liked the name?

Ray

[RayDen]

Oh Oh Oh

I have found a website with Badgers and Francis's - our Badgers and Francis's

They have Thomas Francis (1783 Old Melford, Neyland, Pem - dying before 1851 in Merthyr) marrying Rebecca (1780 Pem - dying after 1851) and having 8 children:

David 1805, Thomas 1808, William 1810, Mary 1813, Ann 1815, Rebecca 1817, Martha 1820 and John 1822.  They have marriages for William, Rebecca and John.

The link is

http://www.haine.org.uk/trcornishwales/names2.htm

Have not yet contacted the website owner

Ray

[RayDen]

Have just emailed the website owner and told him/her of our interest.

Ray

[astley7]

It is a small w but states his life, end peace after the date of death
Lisa

[astley7]

Well done Ray

I have check the dates and it looks like you hit gold

Lisa

[Trees]

Did you also see the tree on An..try owned by a chap from Leeds? http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/10576867/family/pedigree
I told him of our interest and he has looked in and will probably join us soon. With so many eyes and brains we should make great progress.
Well done Ray this could be great news
Ooh look he has linked that William Francis in too I just had a feeling he was a son  living so close to Thomas in 1831
H