CARTER family from Paulton somerset.

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Lets see where we have got to
Two George Carter father Jacob born Paulton abt 1827
850 25 Dec 1827 George s of  Jacob Sarah CARTER  Paulton Collier   Holy Trinity Paulton
856 30 Dec 1827 George son of Jacob Martha CARTER  Paulton Collier

Both are with their parents in 1851  (well one is with his widowed father and widowed sister
In 1861 we have
RG9 / 1679 fo 171 p21 sch 112
Jacob CARTER HD M 60 Coal mine SOM Paulton
Sarah CARTER WI M 57SOM Paulton
George CARTER SO U 32 Coal miner SOM Paulton
Martha CARTER DA U  20 SOM Paulton
The other one is a lodger in Paulton His father Jacob was with his sister who had now remarried

One married Mary Ann BADGER in Bridgend in  Dec 1861 the othe m Mary SNOOK from Camertonin 1862 they stayed in Somerset

RG10/2470 fo 36 p8 1871 for Paulton
George 42 a collier of Paulton
Mary of Camerton
Joseph 8 Paulton
Martha 5 Paulton
Eliza 3 Paulton

At first glance the daughter Martha makes us look towards Jacob/Martha BUT Jacob and /Sarah had a daughter Martha so  little Martha named for gran or Aunt inconclusive

1871
RG10/5389 fo 15 p26   
George CARTER   Head   Mar   45   Labourer at Coal Works   Somerset  Palton
Mary CARTER   Wife   Mar   30            
James CARTER   Son      13   Collier         
John CARTER   Son      10   Scholar         
Thomas CARTER   Son      7            
George CARTER   Son      5            
Edward CARTER   Son      4 Mo            

Now Why did Mary Ann BADGER marry in Bridgend she was from Merthyr parents James and Rebbeca nee FRANCIS who married MT26 644 June 1838 and her son James John was born 1858 in MT was George lodging with her and curtains were twitching so they went quietly to Bridgend to tie the knot I don't think they were living as man and wife as she is on the 1861 census as BAGER and unmarried and with her son James BADGER
Either George had to leave Paulton after the 1861 census so it was a very quick marriage had either of them been to Wales to look for work earlier abt 1857?

Get James John Badgers birth certificate to see if the father 's name was given
Get Mary Ann Badger's mariage certificate to confirm father was Jacob and to see if there were other Carter witnesses that we can link to his family
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James John (Badger) CARTER married  Julia CARTER Sep qtr 1883 MT district
Julia died Mar qtr 1890 age 30 MT district 11 a 393
Who was Julia CARTER b abt 1860 annoyingly we can't got her on a census with James
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I havent read this all thoroughly yet, but think you are looking for a baptism of Ruth CARTER abt 1830?

Ruth CARTER
26 December 1830, Holy Trinity, Paulton, Somerset
Parents JACOB and SARAH, Father Collier

Lots of Carter christenings on Freereg in Paulton

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Maybe this is Julia

Julia CARTER
12 December 1858, Holy Trinity, Paulton,Somerset
Father GEORGE occp collier, Mother ELIZABETH

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Marriage;
22 May 1860, Holy Trinity, Paulton, Somerset
Ruth CARTER, spinster, abode Paulton, Father JACOB Carter, collier
Thomas HEW, batchelor,occp mason, abode Paulton, Father Thomas Hew, occp Pensioner
Witnesses, Mary Carter, William Ings, by Banns

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Thanks Trish I am struggling with this one
There is a Julia in the Bath BDM mother Susanna a single lady now Susannah just to confuse matters was a daughter of Jacob and Martha and this little Julia is with Maria SPERRIN another of Jacob and Martha's daughters in 1861 age 2 also with Maria was Matilda age 10 a visitor now she had been a visitor less than a month old with Jacob in 1851( Martha had died) No obvious mother was with her but there was a Matilda in the Bath BDMs mother's maiden name HULBECk
I cant find a marriage for Carter Hulbeck suitable

So which Julia did James marry if its this one she was his father or step father's niece
Oh help is nothing straight forward with these  carters
I cant find a suitable John 1852 in the Bath BDM's either et he is down in two censuses with George and Mary Ann as born Somerset
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Right following Trish's Julia she was the daughter of George Carter b 1817 son of Joseph and Mary?
This George was married to Elizabeth CHAPMAN they had 2 Julia's
Julia bap 4 May 1857 buried 6 Nov 1857 and Julia bap 12 DEC 1858

Strangely there is only one Julia for mother Chapman in Bath BDM's then Julia 1859 single mum who from the Yahoo transcripts was Susanna Carter this one isn't in free reg all very odd Now James's Julia was born 1860 from her death so I favour Susanna's Julia

anyhow it leaves us with a dilemma as to which one James married and does it help with sorting out which George Jacob and Martha's or Jacob and Sarah's
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oo look Mary Ann Nee Badger married again in the Se[tember quarter of 1899
Carter    Mary Ann        Merthyr T.    11a   1054
Jenkins    John         Merthyr T.    11a   1054
In 1901 she  and John have her grand children Thomas J Carter 13 and Julia Carter 22 with them. She was 20 years older than ohn Jenkins
Now who were Thomas J's parents? As he is always with julia (with Grandmother in 1891 & 1901) I think they were James and Julia's children
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astley7  please tell us which of George and Mary's children is your grand parent
and why you think George was the son of Jacob and Sarah this information may help us sort out where to find the next generation back for you. I must confess that finding more uses of the names Matilda in the family makes me favour Jacob and Martha more
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