CARTER family from Paulton somerset.

[RayDen]

Trees

I think that death in 1862 pretty well excludes the Carter/Dando Julia anyway.  Only one Julia born in Somerset in 1861 to Carter/Dando June 1861 and therefore the death aged 0 in March 1862, I would suggest, is likely the same Julia.  Should have checked before I posted.  Could our Julia be from somewhere else i.e. Bristol or Stroud?

I concur entirely with you on the Withy Mills bit, but how can we make it more concrete??  I don't have the 1861 census to hand but how big was the house? could they have taken another 4 people?

Further to my earlier post on graves I have also located Julia's grave, and I did see it today.   A rather nice headstone (far better than I expected) and inscription but unfortunately no mention of parents.

I have also determined that these other graves are also at Pentwyn Fochriw

                      James John 1936  (aged 77)
                      Gertrude     1879  (5 weeks), and !!
                     
                      Mary Ann Carter (Badger/Jenkins) age 80.

There is also a grave of a Clare Carter 1922 (age 14) who I believe is a child of James John from a second marriage.

St Andrews (Pentwyn graveyard), is a lovely little chapel with wonderful views down over the Darren Valley.  Need to get a grave plan to locate the other graves.

Trees, you seem to have lost me a little with the Carter/Dando/Proverb etc.

[astley7]

Hi Ray
 I will pop over This week and have a look I think I know where some of the graves are. I will draw a map of directions.
Lisa

[toni*]

Street Address as we know them today were not in existence in the early census years , you will notice later they became more regimental sometimes it would look like they ave moved but in fact other propeties had been built around them, you need to use a local landpoint such as a pub to work out if they moved or their house was rebumebred etc etc

[Trees]

Ray the size of the house wouldn't exclude them taking in any more relations my dear mum lived in a two bedroom(one above the other) one living room, back to back in B'ham with 15 children(12 boys) their parents and at one time the Grandmother too!
Necessity is a clever inventor of space 
Trees

[toni*]

Necessity is the mother of invention 

[RayDen]

Hi All

Just received the birth certificate for James John.  There is bad news and bad news.  No father named and he was born in the workhouse, 28 December 1858.

So we don't know if George was the daddy after all.  But at least it looks like Mary Ann got out of the workhouse by herself, to be living on her own with John James in 1861.

Just to remind all, we have found the graves of John James, his wife Julia and Mary Ann.

Regards

Ray

[Trees]

Hi all I had a short time in Cardiff RO this morning with very little usefull results We totally failed to find James Carter and Julia's marriage in church and chapel records I wonder if they had a civil marriage?I have taken down all the Badger and Carter information I could find and Will post it as soon as I can type it up
But to go on with
Wesleyan Methodist
Maria Badger dau of James/Rebecca age 3 yr 8 m baptised 18 Jan 1842
Mary Ann Badger dau of James/Rebecca age 1 yr baptised 18 Jan 1842
Thomas Badger son of James/Rebecca age 6w 30 Oct 1842

Mary Ann may have simply used the Work house infirmary for the birth, there weren't many hospitals around for ordinary folk my gt gran died in the WH Infirmary but was never listed as an inmate Lets hope that was the case. Did you know entry into the work house was purely voluntaryin fact they had to apply to go in. and the inmates could leave when ever they wanted few did if they had no home or means of support
Trees

[Trees]

Ray sorry I notice I did not answer  the Carter /Dando /Proverb question (reply72)
You said in reply 69
There was a Julia Carter born abt June 1861 to Issac Carter and Mary Dando (M.march qtr 1853).

But I found from the Bath BMD

CARTER Julia Clutton Bath DANDO CLU/12/323 1861
and a death the next year
CARTER Julia 0 Clutton Bath CLU/8/122 1862
Which looks like the same child
You thought she was the daughter of Isaac and Mary DANDO but I found Isaac CARTER married Eliza Proverb not Mary Dando who married Solloman  DANDO the marriages appear in the Yahoo transcripts with the brides and grooms linked up (Free BDMs give all four names so you can't tell who married who from it.So I have put Julia 1861 as daughter of Henry CARTER and Kesiah DANDO who married 25 Dec 1848
Hope that clarifies things

Well done on finding the graves did you take photos?

[RayDen]

Hi Trees

Firstly I now understand the Carter/Dando situation, thanks.

Secondly great work on the Badger baptism records, thats really really great.  That ties in with the great investigation work that Lisa (Astley7) is doing at Merthyr library.

Lisa has found a death record for a Thomas Badger buried in what we believe to be the family grave in 1846.  This must be the same Thomas surely?  But James's death was registered the same month (Sept 1846) did they die together??.  This needs certificates and investigation!!!

Whilst the baptisms were done in the baptist church (so was James in 1816), the marriage was in the Parish Church. Am I right in thinking that Baptists were not allowed to conduct marriages at that time?

With regard to Mary Ann in the workhouse, need to see if I can get the entry and exit records.

Trees I now have the certificates for:

Mary Ann & Georges Marriage
John Henry Carter birth
James John Badger (Carter) birth

If you or anyone wants copies please pm me (I don't think I can attach certificates to a pm so I would need email address.)