CARTER family from Paulton somerset.

[Trees]

Oh dear Death of Rebecca Prior June 1855 MT 11a 184
how sad so that all changes the story Both Mary Ann's parents were dead before she met George now where was she in 1851
Toni can you look for a Mary Ann Badger in 1851 born 1840 Merthyr Tydfil she may be in Somerset or Wales I'll get on with a summary

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Lets see where we have got to
I have a connection with the Paulton Carters and have been collecting data on the various Paulton Carters for years
Lisa and Ray both descend from George CARTER born about 1827 Paulton . George and wife Mary Ann lived in the Merthyr area
From censuses BMD's etc we have children for the couple
James          1858      
John Henry      1861      
Thomas Francis   1864         
George       1866   
David Joseph       1868-1871    
Edward       1870      
David Joseph      1872      
Rebecca Ann      1874      
Mary Martha      1874       
Matilda       1876   Mar   
Edith          1879
Gertrude       1879 -1879
The marriage of George Carter and Mary Ann BADGER was 7 Oct 1861 at Llangynwyd by banns their address was Garnlwyd Cottages Measteg this is in Cwmdu near St John's Colliery her father was James Badger a Nailor and his Jacob CARTER a collier

They had their first child James John in 1858 in Merthyr and she is on the 1861 census as unmarried with her son James Badger

There is a George lodging in Paulton in 1861 not with his parents

Two George Carter father Jacob born Paulton abt 1827
850 25 Dec 1827 George s of  Jacob Sarah CARTER  Paulton Collier   Holy Trinity Paulton
856 30 Dec 1827 George son of Jacob Martha CARTER  Paulton Collier

Both are with their parents in 1851  (well one is with his widowed father and widowed sister
In 1861 we have
RG9 / 1679 fo 171 p21 sch 112
Jacob CARTER HD M 60 Coal mine SOM Paulton
Sarah CARTER WI M 57SOM Paulton
George CARTER SO U 32 Coal miner SOM Paulton
Martha CARTER DA U  20 SOM Paulton
The other one is a lodger in Paulton His father Jacob was with his sister who had now remarried

One married Mary Ann BADGER in Bridgend in  Dec 1861 the other m Mary SNOOK from Camerton in 1862  they stayed in Somerset

RG10/2470 fo 36 p8 1871 for Paulton
George 42 a collier of Paulton
Mary of Camerton
Joseph 8 Paulton
Martha 5 Paulton
Eliza 3 Paulton

At first glance the daughter Martha makes us look towards Jacob/Martha BUT Jacob and /Sarah had a daughter Martha so  little Martha named for gran or Aunt inconclusive
Our family George /Mary Badger
1871
RG10/5389 fo 15 p26   

 James BADGER and Rebbeca nee FRANCIS who married MT26 644 June 1838
James Badger died Sept qtr 1846 MT
Rebecca was a widow in 1851 H0107/2458 folio 428 page 45  with her was John Prior
there is a marriage Rebecca Badger in Dec 1851 MT 26 661 and John Prior
and sadly a death Rebecca Prior June 1855 MT 11a 184
So Mary Ann had no parents from 1855
she may have gone into service in Somerset and met george or he came to Wales looking for work
The pit near their address when they marry was opened in 1850 on the site of an older mine

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Back to George
Two George Carter father Jacob born Paulton abt 1827
850 25 Dec 1827 George s of  Jacob Sarah CARTER  Paulton Collier   Holy Trinity Paulton
856 30 Dec 1827 George son of Jacob Martha CARTER  Paulton Collier

Both are with their parents in 1851 in 1861 one is still with parents(well one is with his widowed father and widowed sister
RG9 / 1679 fo 171 p21 sch 112
Jacob CARTER HD M 60 Coal mine SOM Paulton
Sarah CARTER WI M 57SOM Paulton
George CARTER SO U 32 Coal miner SOM Paulton
Martha CARTER DA U  20 SOM Paulton
The other one is a lodger in Paulton His father Jacob was with his sister who had now remarried

One married Mary Ann BADGER in Bridgend in  Dec 1861 the othe m Mary SNOOK from Camerton in 1862 they stayed in Somerset
The questions to ask are Which George married Mary Ann BADGER

 Mary SNOOK and George
RG10/2470 fo 36 p8 1871 for Paulton
George 42 a collier of Paulton
Mary of Camerton
Joseph 8 Paulton
Martha 5 Paulton
Eliza 3 Paulton

At first glance the daughter Martha makes us look towards Jacob/Martha BUT Jacob and /Sarah had a daughter Martha so  little Martha cold be named named for Gran or Aunt inconclusive

RG10/5389 fo 15 p26   ed: Merthyr Tydfil, Gelligaer 8 1871  Mary BADGER and George

A fellow researcher on a different forum thought that George from Jacob  and Martha married Mary Guilliford m in 1857 but censuses for that couple show her George was too old for one of the Jacob boys I think he was the son of George and Elizabeth ANSTEE
Looking at the children's names and comparing them with Jacob and Martha's we find
 David, Ann, John, Henry,Matilda and a Martha names in Jacob and Martha's family (6 names)
but only 2 match with Jacob and Sarah's family

George died
George 55 Mar 1883MT 11a 311
and Mary Ann remarried Sep quarter of 1899 MT 11a 1054 to John Jenkin who was 20 years younger than her in 1911 she said she had 14 children 9 still living but we have only identified 12 Ray thinks there was also an Annie later than Edith and Gertrude but we can't see a birth record for an Annie

James (Badger)CARTER married a Julia Carter she died
 Julia Mar 1890 30 MT11a393

There were 2 Julias born in Paulton the same year one to Susannah one of Jacob and Martha's daughters we have followed her through the censuses and I am pretty sure she married George ALMOND in June qtr 1882  in Bath where she was a serv in 1881 they then lived in Camerton
So It looks like Julia dau of George and Elizabeth nee CHAPMAN married James(Badger) Carter
Julia died mar 1890 30 MT11a393
Hope that helps Toni

[RayDen]

Hi Trees

I had the Badger/Prior link already in my system but I did,nt mention it because things seemed to be difficult enough already, and I did,nt think it added to the particular problem in hand. 

Have just been down to the library to get on Ancestory and following a conversation with Astley7 I had a look at the name George Carter and found that there was a George Carter born around 1828 in Somerset who had a number of convictions for larceny in the 1840/50's (left the details in the library!!).  There was also a Jacob Carter convicted for larceny in 1816 in Somerset and served 18 months imprisonment.    What if our George had been a bad boy around 1860 and could'nt go with Mary Ann because he was otherwise engaged?

Ray

[toni*]

Mary Ann - did she have any siblings other than what seems to be Maria?

[astley7]

Hi did you find more larcery on George and Jacob if its the correct George and Jacob? than the one i found in 1801 for Jacob?.

Lisa

[astley7]

Hi toni
Still exploring that avenue.
There is a Ann aged 15 who can be found living with the family in caedrew MT in the 1841 census also edward is found living there too.

Other possible sibling for James is John b 1817 born in merthyr too. Not many badger families in the area. Dont know if this person is beloning but there is a margaret badger born 1793 MT was this  Georges wife and living in Dowlais at the time.

other possible links which i have not explored yet within MT
Maria Badger sister to mary ann possible death 1838

Thomas Badger  1845     
elizabeth possible 1850

[toni*]

Hi Astley7 yes i found John thats what made me ask the question.

Have you considered the Tithe map for Merthyr might help?

[Trees]

Toni there are Maria 12. Mary 4 .Elizabeth 11 mo  with the widowed Rebecca in 1851 but James died in 1846 so it looks like Elizabeth was john Priors child

Wow the larceny situation looks interesting  Elm tree is going through the cases now
Trees