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Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 13 October 22 22:36 BST (UK) »

From GRONI database-
Esther Green, age 36, died 24 Feb.1957
Joseph Green, age 95, died 24 Mar.1957

But Esther was on the street index as living at number 33 Ballymena so that can't be her

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Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 13 October 22 22:38 BST (UK) »
The cemetery record gives Esther as age 48.

This is a good match for Esther & her mother in 1911-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__George_s/Donegall_Road/162725/

Directories are not compiled from official sources- sometimes a neighbour or tenant provided the details.
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Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 13 October 22 22:49 BST (UK) »
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Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 13 October 22 22:54 BST (UK) »
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Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 13 October 22 23:02 BST (UK) »
Burial of Caroline McCormick-
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6153.42267
Seems to be a Cleland plot & includes another Esther Cleland.

It's too late tonight to sort this all out so will have a look tomorrow.
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Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
« Reply #23 on: Friday 14 October 22 15:29 BST (UK) »
Quote from: aghadowey on Thursday 13 October 22 23:02 BST (UK)
Burial of Caroline McCormick-
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6153.42267
Seems to be a Cleland plot & includes another Esther Cleland.

It's too late tonight to sort this all out so will have a look tomorrow.

Thanks for that, so you think Esther is a McCormack?

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Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
« Reply #24 on: Saturday 15 October 22 19:55 BST (UK) »
Hope this is all correct. The more I looked at everything the more confusing it got but after doing a family tree for the Cleland family (also Clelland or Cleeland in some records) things became clearer. So, I'll start with the Clelands.

Thomas George Cleland (c1850-1900 Belfast) m.(1868) Esther Henniday (c1851-1918)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05774/4632331.pdf
Cleland family in 1901- http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__George_s_Ward_Belfast/Blythe_Street/954533/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__George_s/Donegall_Road/162725/ (m.42 yrs, 11 ch./6 living)
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6379.15441 (Thomas)
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6167.48972 (Esther)
1. John Cleland (1869-alive 1911) m. Margaret McCarroll
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03377/2238043.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor_Ward/Lindsay_Street/169364/ (m.17 yrs, 8 ch./5 liv.)
2. Mary Cleland (1871)
3. Sarah Cleland (1873-1889)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06065/4729278.pdf
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6539.3848
4. George Cleland (1874-aft.1901)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03141/2151948.pdf
5. Ross Cleland (1875-1891)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03073/2126549.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1891/06065/4729278.pdf
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6565.2511
6. William James Cleland (1877-aft.1901) m. Sarah
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/03015/2104864.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__George_s_Ward_Belfast/Blythe_Street/954442/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__George_s_Ward_Belfast/Blythe_Street/954442/
7. Margaret/Maggie Jane Cleland (1880-1912)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02866/2050106.pdf
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6293.37293
8. David Cleland (1882-1900)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1882/02786/2022888.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05755/4625581.pdf
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6387.16272
9. Esther Cleland (1884) m.(1919) Hugh McCormick
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1884/02706/1996444.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1919/09661/5503536.pdf
10. Caroline Cleland (1885-1917) m.(1913) Hugh McCormick
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02629/1969940.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1913/09887/5591753.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05225/4446349.pdf
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6153.42267
11. Frederick/Freddie Cleland (1888-1889)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1889/06127/4749975.pdf
https://online.belfastcity.gov.uk/find-burial-records/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6543.472
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Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 15 October 22 20:12 BST (UK) »
Esther Cleland born 1884 is the one that married her sister Caroline's widower Hugh McCormick.

Forget about the Clelands. Next I did a Gibney tree.

Patrick Gibney m.(1899) Esther Briars (c1879-27 Jan.1959)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1899/10395/5785183.pdf
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/St__Anne_s/Green_Street/933632/
Belfast Telegraph, 28 Jan.1959: ... (Thursday), to City Cemetery. —Deeply regretted by her sorrowing Son-in-law, Joseph Green, and Grandsons, Jim and Billy, 19 Wensley Street. Gone to join her loved ones. CLELLAND—January ... 1959, at Royal Victoria Hospital, Esther, beloved mother of James Gibney ...
1. Mary Elizabeth Gibney (1900)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01999/1768778.pdf
b. Archibald Gibney (1902)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01914/1741985.pdf
c. Patrick Gibney (1904)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01842/1718611.pdf
d. James Gibney (1905)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01765/1694896.pdf (parents Patrick Gibney & Esther Briars)
e. Esther Gibney (c1909-24 Feb.1957) m. Joseph Green- ch.: Jim, Billy
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1909/01616/1647802.pdf (Esther Gibney (mother Esther Gibney formerly Briars))
Joseph Green m.(17 July 1935 Newtownabbey dist.) Esther Brien
1955 directory- 19 Wensley St.- Joseph Green https://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/wyzcomplete1955.htm
Belfast Telegraph, 26 July 1957: … Esther, dearly-beloved wife of Joseph Green —Deeply regretted by her sorrowing Mother, Esther Cleland, 111 Wensley Street. Thy will be done . GREEN (nee _) —July 23, 1957, at Hospital, Esther, dearly-_ed of Joseph Green —Deeply regretted by Aunt Alice …
GREEN—July 23, 1937, at the Royal Victoria Hospital, Esther, dearly-beloved wife of Joseph Green --Deeply regretted by her sorrowing Brother-in-law, Wife and Family. … and Minnie Green. … Rest after suffering
Belfast City Cemetery- Glenalina Extension (A1 377)- Esther Green, 19 Wensley St., age 48, died 25 July 1957, buried 27 July 1957. Esther Clelland, age 76, in same plot

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Re: Ballymena Street, Belfast 1901
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 15 October 22 20:29 BST (UK) »
Esther Gibney, according to her birth registration, seems to have been illegitimate.

Patrick Gibney and son Archibald here in 1911-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/St__Anne_s_Ward/Edward_Street/133561/
Strangely enough, Patrick listed as married 9 years and 1 living child. Since he and Esther were married 1899 does this mean the couple were apart from c1908?

Esther Gibbney & daughter Esther Briars in a separate residence-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Duncairn_Ward/Marine_Street/132740/
Her entry says married 11 years and 1 living child.

I think this is the daughter Esther's marriage-
Joseph Green to Esther Brien on 17th July 1935 Newtownabbey rehgistration district.
This is the Esther, wife of Joseph Green, who died Feb.1957.
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