John Cockroft farmer

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[dobfarm]

  John Cockroft 
 bapt 24 MAR 1694   Heptonstall, Yorkshire, England
 Father  WILLIAM COCKCROFT
  Burial  Age 70  1760 St Mary Todmorden
    
 Marraige JOHN COCKCROFT x ANNE HEY St Mary Todmorden

14 SEP 1725 

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28-Dec  1725  William  of John & Ann  Todmorden  weaver  St. Marys

Marriage1748  27-Dec  William     Jane Dearden  MARRIAGES FOR
THE SURNAME COCKROFT AT ST. MARY'S TODMORDEN
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26-Oct  1751  John of William Cockroft of Hades     St. Marys Todmorden

John Cockroft X Mary Uttley Married  5 APR 1768  Heptonstall,

Parish of Bride at a wedding is NOT always the parish Birth
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From Halifax to Hebdenbridge and on to Todmorden is in a steep valley following the big river calder up this valley there would be only cart tracks to the moorland farms that are little different only a bit of tarmac on them now. Thus movement was linear in this valley bottom making it ab long community trapped between Halifax - Hebden bridge and Todmorden.


12-Dec  1780  Hannah  of John & Mary Cockroft   Langfield  no fathers occupation given   St. Marys

Langfield Farm, Mankinholes, Todmorden, Lancashire

Plus Langfield area

High on the moors above by road Charlestown nr a place
called Heptonstall and Wadsworth (Hebben bridge)-Todmorden is the other way by crow fly but not a direct road access to this isolated place

http://todmordenandwalsden.co.uk/

[dobfarm]

There are 2 William Cockrofts or Cockcrofts one bapt 1665 and another bapt 1675 and from Heptonstall

Which one

Hav't a clue   

[KevinBowers]

Wow - what alot of information!!!  I've printed this out and will have a good look at it and digest!  Thank you so much!

I was at the Library yesterday, and quite by chance they have a microfilm copy of the Heptonstall Bishop's Transcripts.  I looked at the baptism of John, son of John Cockcroft on 5 May 1771, and after JC's name was written what looked like "Err Web". This of course baffled me until I looked at other entries, and realized that this meant of Erringden, Webster (I think a webster is the same as a weaver).

At Luddenden there are 4 entries for children of John Cockcroft:  Wm bap 1772, Margaret bap 1775, Elizabeth bap 1778 and Mary bap 1782.  The John mentioned above fits in quite nicely here, as does Hannah from the Todmordon register who was bap in 1780 (and that bap mentions mothers' name: Mary).

Now, I know that "fits in nicely" doesnt always lead to truthbut rather to a good conjecture, but I am thinking that if this all "fits in nicely" with the John C & Mary Uttley marriage in 1768.  As far as my Hannah Cockcroft is concerned, her 18 yr old groom Timothy Calvert lived at Midgley, and at the time of the marriage Hannah is living at Wadworth.  I really need to check a map here, but this seems to be not entirely out of the question. 

Thank you again for such a quick response - both you and Sandra are my new heroes!
Kevin

[sandra bills]

Hi Kevin,

Dave did all the work, not me,
Sandra

[dobfarm]

Hi All


Forgot to say the above info only poss! but need checking out at Wakefield in the Original registers. Though the change from Ann to Hannah or visa versa in adulthood is not unusual mostly they keeped their original Bapt Name

Thus there could be another bapt Ann of John Cockroft out there! 1780 +/- I year as to birth month. Ie   Bapt Nov/ Dec 1779 to 1781 Jan/Feb and month of marriage 1806 was she nearer 15 or 17- maybe a few white untruths and thats very common if she was bapt 1784 aged 12/13 legal to marry then for girls.

[KevinBowers]

Thats very true - I always keep an open mind when looking in the past like this.  There are no hard and fast rules!  Even the naming patterns of children can sometime be thrown right out the window. 

What do you think of my /Heptonstall/Todmorden/Luddenden theory?  Do you think thats just too much travelling for one chap when it comes to baptisms?  The dates all fit in (although I would have liked to have seen another child bap in 1769).

A very cold afternoon in Canada,
Kevin

[dobfarm]

Hi Kev,

Its early days for Roots chat members as more poster may join, Your view on the bro and sis of Hannah and dates in a run down from a marriage of this Hannah b 1780 of John and Mary that may point tp John and Marys marriage looks interesting.

A few pointers

A) As family names being past down that could be true but in comparison to other families doing the same thing all using the very common mane have little value if none as proof.

B) Halifax St John Church Halifax has not been transcribed or translated pre 1812 only one in the 1500's-Bishops Transcription's have been by the LDS but the original registers of both BT and church are in a right old state of affairs and Lds do not have all events in the BT, and the Bt was copied from the church register ever 6 month or so also error were made in transcribing of. (Missing entries)

Hebdenbridge or Todmorden bapt entries could be a sickley private baptism at home by the vicar available and he enter it at his Church. Also there was a tax just start around 1780 on bapts those days and in the confusion any church ( Read up on this Tax)


My gut feeling is your Ann Cock(C)roft was Bapt 1784 

Dobby

[KevinBowers]

The other thing to consider is that I have not been able to find out much about the Calvert family she married into - I suspect they were Non-Conformist, as many of the Calverts are buried at Booth Independent.  Hannah Calvert (formerly Cockcroft)'s gravestone reads: Died 1 March 1817 age 36.    Perhaps she was also non-conformist.  Do you know if there are non-conformist records in that area that are not on the IGI?  I think there is a good chance that everything I am looking for is simply hidden away in a Non-Conformist register which has yet to be made available.

From a cold (and now a dark) Canada
Kevin