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Re: John Cockroft farmer
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 29 November 09 14:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sandra,

Supplied by Bumble b  (Friend of mine) on rootchat (
John Cockroftt 65 Weaver of Worsted
Saley 60
Ellen 20
William 30
Salley 20
Nanny 15
All at Broad Street, Ovenden   HO107 1302/6 27

Enumeration District 20 - all that part of Ovenden comprising Scansby from Snowden Houses Woodhead Houses Needle Row Somerscales Charity, Lower Fold on by Popples Road as far as the Occupation Road at Nangman Lane top (or should that be Hangman?R
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Occupation road is at Illingworth flats common Twet (See Map I sent) (Now Twyt Common) Upper & Lower Hall- Barrack

Pharaoh/Place  lane & Skippy Common lane

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Re: John Cockroft farmer
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 29 November 09 15:11 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dave,

I humbly apologise and bow to the master of genealogy.

Thanks again,
at least I know what district now.
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Re: John Cockroft farmer
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 29 November 09 15:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sandra

We know It all happend at Illingworth its self 1746 John Dad of John b 1773 -1800 Ann death-1850/51 death as gravestone with first wife Ann on as well as Sarah 2nd wife

 Upper and Lower Hal-Barrack -Twet Farms. with Weaving cotts industry.

 Wendy & you have done alot of research but just to advice you to keep on with 1841c- 1851c - also 1765-1801 to 1831 census CD with associated surnames Midgley-Smith-Riley-Hargreaves(Big in that area) Cockrofts.

Deeds at Wakefield, Wills, Bond marriages by licence if any also land tax -Window tax -Hearth tax-Poorlaw-Relief tax (local Rates) Mount Zion and Illingworth congregation and St Mary's church warden congregation(If any)-Sextons records
over time.

We have a foundation above that may alter!
But its a start

Dave
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Re: John Cockroft farmer
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 29 November 09 17:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi Dave,

Thanks again,

Sandra


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Re: John Cockroft farmer
« Reply #13 on: Monday 30 November 09 12:15 GMT (UK) »
Foot note.

Sandra, the area or districts around Halifax are on this map!

http://www.halifaxhistory.org.uk/

You'll see why people get mixed up with parish registers the districts on them and actual places (Town or villages miles apart) Meaning on the Boundary lines can be either. example Illingworth and Ovenden also Northowram yet are as places miles apart.

click on the "click here" (Next to the word Bradford)near the bottom of the page in the link-Then a small map will appear- put your arrowed cursor on the map and click the small square block (that appears a few seconds later)  for the largest view
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« Reply #14 on: Monday 30 November 09 15:50 GMT (UK) »
 Hi Dave,


Thanks for the map will be very useful. Wendy was asking about the old Ovenden boundary the other day will tell her about  it as well.
I have told her to look on your replies anyway but she has been very ill since the flu and can;t do much at the moment.

Thanks again,
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Re: John Cockroft farmer
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 01 December 09 22:10 GMT (UK) »
Register of Deeds-head office of the West Yorkshire Archives office Wakefield
copies £8 a deed and £32 with plans per deed ( This charge is the same by post or
by person at their office- No photos are allowed)

The 1720 TO 1800 VOLUME DEEDS INDEX HAVE ONLY Thomas and William Cock(C)roft have
land deeds in Hebdenbidge and Halifax town centre and one for both at Warley

The 1800-1818 has

All Deeds John Cockroft (Weaver) cloth maker and manufacture & mention Upper Brigg Barrack
 overden Mark Cockroft-Thomas Appleyard Joseph Cockroft John Sutcliffe and John Smith

John Cockroft Deeds Vol EX page 603 deed number 757 year 1806

John Cockroft Deeds Vol FP page 160 deed number 162 year 1811

John Cockroft Deeds Vol FQ page 211 deed number 270 year 1811

John Cockroft Deeds Vol GT page 342 deed number 330 year 1818

Will of John Senior died 1788 will date 1789

John Cockroft Deeds Vol DA page 179 Will number 180 year 1789
John Deceased is mention in above deeds

WYAS web site has all John Cockroft Apprentice indentures as master weaver of apprentices,
in the search Catalogue

Your John :-\ ['s]  :-\ -God Knows!  :-[

It Possible that the John death 1788 is Pre 1746 birth ( b1720 ish maybe) and the above John (Deceased) in the Deeds is a later death 1800's and son or John 1746 bapt and son John  Bapt 1773 as no reference age or relation is given in these deeds.
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Re: John Cockroft farmer
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 02 December 09 07:15 GMT (UK) »
HI Dave,

My you have been busy.
All we want is to win the pools I suppose, so to speak.
What does Upper Brigg Barrack mean, do you know? that one looks interesting.
thanks
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« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 02 December 09 09:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi Sandra,

The deciphering of these could take weeks as they write in a strange ye olde way but the side ref writing is easy readable. ie signed by and a very brief note of the deed.

John Smith is there. but is a very common name

Upper brigg barrack >

Is it Barrack farm and Upper Hal or near or a tolal different odd ball place.

This is roughly what my friend a top staff member said at WYAS

Quote "There is little doubt in my mind that John of Jonathan Cockroft b 1743 died as an infant and John b 1746 is their second child! named same  as the first John. The 1749 John is to late for the 1766 marriage to Susan Riley, the 1767 marriage to Sarah Riley is to late for the 1766 James birth by his grave Stone age with John smith

John Cockroft signed is own name on the marriage register to Susan Riley and John Smith is in these Deeds also John Cockroft signed his own name on the deeds that look very similar to the marriage to Susan Riley 1766. Both grave headstones of James Cockroft , John Smith Mount zion and John Cockroft burial ST Mary both locations  Illingworth 1850 indicate wealth as do these deeds." unquote

Dave

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