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Offline Cotswolder

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Early 20th Century BMDs
« on: Thursday 20 August 09 17:20 BST (UK) »
Can anyone advise where I might find information relating to a death and. I think marriage around 1925 in York County, Ontario

From an Rootsweb family tree I have found a relative alleged married to a woman whose was married earlier but I can find no trace of her first husband having died.

I have George Henry GARBUTT b 1894 in Toronto. He died on 30/12/1929 and his death record shows he is married at that time.

Unsupported entries on Family Search and the Rootsweb family tree state that George Henry married Mabel Alice THORNHILL before 1926 and they had two children. They also say there was another child, Muriel,  born around 1918.

I have found a marriage record for the same Mabel Alice THORNILL in 1918 but to a  Morgan HART.

I am now slightly confused. Did George Henry marry Mabel Alice ? If so her first husband must have died or they divorced.
Also, if correct, was Muriel the child of Mabel Alice and Morgan HART.

I would greatly appreciate any help in someone pointing me in the right direction to try to solve this mystery.
I have tried contacting the person with the tree on Rootsweb but to no avail.

Many thanks in anticipation
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Re: Early 20th Century BMDs
« Reply #1 on: Friday 21 August 09 04:37 BST (UK) »
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/divorce/001070-119.01-e.php?identifier=1133
Morgan Hart and Mabel Alice Thornhill divorced in 1926.

Online searches at other forums show that the 3 children were Muriel, Thelma and George Ernest.

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Re: Early 20th Century BMDs
« Reply #2 on: Friday 21 August 09 09:02 BST (UK) »
Many thanks Debbie.

With regard to the children I believe Muriel was the daughter of Morgan & Mabel but Thelma & George Ernest were from George Garbutt & Mabel.

If only I could find the dates to confirm.
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Re: Early 20th Century BMDs
« Reply #3 on: Friday 21 August 09 17:02 BST (UK) »
Ontario birth records wouldn't be available for those births for quite some time.  The 1913 births will be available in 2010 as will 1928 marriages.  Ancestry.ca records are always a few years behind.  This site http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~maryc/thisisit.htm is beginning to show marriages in the timeframe you are looking for.  In order to confirm parentage you might have to find obituary notices for the parents.

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Re: Early 20th Century BMDs
« Reply #4 on: Friday 21 August 09 17:10 BST (UK) »
Many thanks Debbie
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Re: Early 20th Century BMDs
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 21 September 11 21:29 BST (UK) »
Good day;

I've read with interest your comments about the Garbutt family.  I can confirm that George Ernest Garbutt was born in 1927 to George Henry Garbutt and Mabel Thorhill.  I am George Ernest Garbutt's daughter. Family knowledge from my end of the tree says that Muriel was illegitimate, father unknown and that George and Thelma were the two children of George H and Mabel.  All three were raised together.

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Re: Early 20th Century BMDs
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 22 September 11 10:15 BST (UK) »
Hi Terri,

Many thanks for your comments.

I have nothing further on George Ernest other that he may have married a lady called CLAYTON. Any help you can give on his marriage and descendants would be appreciated.

George would be a very distant cousin of mine but I do have an ancestry line back to his family departure form the UK.

Regards, Bruce
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Re: Early 20th Century BMDs
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 22 September 11 13:19 BST (UK) »
Good morning Bruce;

George Ernest Garbutt married Helen Marie Clayton (my mother ) on 26 Dec 1953 in Hamilton Ontario. They had 5 children (*)The first two children were born in Hamilton Ontario and the rest in Ottawa Ontario.

 Only myself and Christina have children; two girls for me and one boy for Christina.  I also have one grandaughter. Not sure if you want or need additional details this far down the line.

My father died in 1973 but I don't recall the exact date. My parents had been separated for three years and he never contacted us again prior to his death in Toronto.  My mother probably had a copy of his death certificate at one time but only for the purposes of collecting a government pension.  She does not have it now and has no interest in it either.  I asked her yesterday :-)

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Re: Early 20th Century BMDs
« Reply #8 on: Friday 23 September 11 18:20 BST (UK) »
Many thanks Terri,

I may need the extra info if possible.
I am currently active on another line in this family but will come back to you shortly, if that is OK.

Regards, Bruce
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Ralph (Norfolk & Suffolk)
Neep (Norfolk, Nottinghamshire & Victoria)
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Sanders, Wells, Cooper, Downing, Phillips (Suffolk)
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Bartter (Kent, Hampshire & Ohio)
Drake & Mitchell (London)
Davies (Swansea)
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