Willoughby, Chatham, Kent. Can you help with a Census?

[CaroleW]

1891 census for Lewisham

William H Willoughby 67  yeomen of the guard b Chatham
Emma   60  b Bow Middlesex - see below
Louisa W  23  b Kennington
Herbert H    21  ditto
Charles E   17  b Brockley Kent
Emily F   14            ditto
RG12 Piece 526 Folio 133 Page 31

[Eyesee]

William Henry was a corporal in the marines at the 1844 christening of Mary Ann.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/06xs/

Ian C

[valsul]

Dear Ian,
Thankyou so much. At least I can verify, my findings with your and Carole's, but I have more... There is still mystery. I will gather up my findings plus evidence and present it to your learned eyes.. This family is still haunting me and I hope that you will be interested enough to assist me
Val S

[CaroleW]

Hi

I can see only one way forward here - a copy of one of the birth certs from the second "marriage" to find Emma's maiden name

Do you already have any birth cert from the children of the second "marriage"

[casalguidi]

This family is still haunting me and I hope that you will be interested enough to assist me

Yes we're all interested

Casalguidi

[valsul]

Back again... I have had to stray to Victoria Australia, but there is still plenty to sleuth back in England. This is CONFIRMED so I thought I would send you this info

These are FREDERICK STEPHEN UNDERHILL WILLOUGHBY’S details
He migrated to Victoria Australia 1877 and his wife and two daughters followed in 1878
Note the change in the SURNAME and the difference in parents names on the death certificate of Fred and Joseph

 Digger - Immigration to Victoria 1852-79
Surname: WILLOUGHBY
Given Names: FRED (erick)
Ship: KENT
Month: JUL
Year: 1877
Age: 22
Code: B
Fiche: 352
Page: 002

England & Wales, Free BMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983 Record Fredrick UNDERHILL
Name: Fredrick UNDERHILL
Year of Registration: 1874 
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 
District: Medway (1837-1941) 
County: Kent 
Volume: 2a 

Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 Mc Beth Publications ( Ref. Registry of Births, Death and Marriages, Melbourne)
Surname: WILLOUGHBY
Given Names: Fredk Stephen
Father: Willoughby JOSHUA
Mother: Mary Ann  UNKNOWN
Death Place: PRN (Princes Hill, near Melbourne)
Age: 85
Age Code:
Year: 1939
Reg Number: 2504
Event: D

 Surname   Given Name    District   Volume   Page   Transcriber

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England & Wales, Free BMD Marriage Index: 1837-1983 Marriages Jun 1874
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WILLOUGHBY Fredrick   Mitford 4b 485 DJMARSHALL 



Joseph Underhill Willoughby
Aka Joseph Willingham 1851 England Census
These are his brother’s details. He migrated on the “THOMAS STEPHENS" to Melbourne Victoria with his wife CAROLINE ANN HOBART.
Note the difference in the Death Details pertaining to his parents.

Digger - Death Index. Victoria 1921-1985 Mc Beth Publications ( Ref. Registry of Births, Death and Marriages, Melbourne)
Surname: WILLOUGHBY
Given Names: Joseph
Father: Willoughby Joseph
Mother: Mary Ann  BIRCH
Death Place: BWK
Age: 82
Age Code:
Year: 1928
Reg Number: 597
Event: D

[casalguidi]

Frederick's marriage where he gives his father as Joseph UNDERHILL
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06xz/

So, was Joseph UNDERHILL the father with Mary still using the fact that she was married to Mr WILLOUGHBY thus naming him as the father at the baptisms of her children or did they belong to Mr WILLOUGHBY and Joseph UNDERHILL was their step father .............. interesting!

I know we have found baptisms for some of the children above but it might be a good idea to check out baptism (and any other events) in the online parish registers for all the children to see what is listed
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06xz/


Casalguidi

[valsul]

So here we have it... What do you think?
Facts
1.   1831 James or Joseph Underhill born 1795 married Rachael King
2.   1843 William H Willoughby married Mary Anne Pearse Pierce Pearce 15 Aug Holy Trinity, Clapham, Surrey, England
3.   Sept 1844 A daughter Mary Ann Willoughby born to William H Willoughby and Mary Anne Pearse Pierce Pearce above Rochester, Kent, England
4.   1846 Joseph Underhill Willoughby born  Christchurch, Surrey, England ( parents ambiguous)
5.   1848 John Underhill Willoughby born  Chatham, Kent, England ( parents ambiguous)
6.   1850 Emillie Underhill Willoughby born  Chatham, Kent, England ( parents ambiguous)
7.   1851 William Henry Willoughby states that he is single whilst in Essex. 
8.   1851 Rachael Underhill ( King ) Housekeeper in St Margaret Kent, but not living with her husband
9.   1854 Frederick Stephen Underhill Willoughby born Chatham, Kent, England ( parents ambiguous)
10.   1855 Rebecca Underhill Willoughby born  Chatham, Kent, England ( parents ambiguous)
11.   1859 Edward Daniel Underhill Willoughby born, St Margaret, Kent, England ( parents ambiguous)
12.   1861 Mary Ann states that she is a widow, whilst in same boarding house as Joseph or James Underhill
13.   1866 Rachael Underhill dies St Margaret Kent
14.   1867 Emillie Underhill Willoughby 1st  marriage to Robert Soutter
15.   1870 Joseph Underhill Willoughby  and  Caroline Ann Hobart marriage
16.   1871 James or Joseph Underhill resides with “family” Joseph Underhill, John Underhill, Frederick Underhill and Edward Underhill. Mary Anne (wife) and her two daughters are elsewhere. His brother in law John Pearce and his widowed sister Rebecca Birch also reside.
17.   1872 Caroline Ann Hobart (Underhill) Willoughby servant at Denmark Arms, No 1 Albert Road, St. Margaret's, Rochester, Kent
18.   1872 Joseph Underhill Willoughby  and  Caroline Ann Hobart on "Thomas Stephens" to Melbourne Victoria
19.   1872 Emillie Underhill Willoughby 2nd marriage to Charles Agnew Turner
20.   1872 Rebecca Underhill Willoughby  marriage to Algernon Payan Percy
21.   1873 John Underhill Willoughby marriage to Emma Smith
22.   1874 Frederick Stephen Underhill Willoughby marriage to Maria Matilda South
1875 Rebecca Percy Underhill Willoughby birth
23.   1883 Emillie Underhill Willoughby 3rd marriage to George Edward Hare
24.   1884 James or Joseph Underhill  death Rochester St Margaret, Kent, England


Still there are many questions .. There is one piece of important information that links part of this family
1891 Emily Hare ( Underhill Willoughby) is living in 14 Fulham Park Gardens, Fulham, London with her son Richard Soutter from her 1st marriage,  Stepsister Mary Ann Willoughby and Millie Willoughby niece.  Mary Ann Willoughby is deaf. She is a step sister? Who is Millie Willoughby?
Born 1880 Fulham, Middlesex?

[casalguidi]

1891 - 14 Fulham Park, Fulham, London

Emily HARE head wid 32? b.Rochester Kent
Richard SOUTER son 19 b.Mortlake
Mary A WILLOUGHBY step sister unm 46 b.Rochester Kent
Millie niece unm 11 b.Fulham

RG12/54 folio 80 page 12
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If all the children have UNDERHILL as a second name except Mary A (the first born) plus she is described as a step sister then that would suggest to me that they are all (except Mary A) quite likely the children of Joseph UNDERHILL.

1901 - & Ifield Road, Kensington, London

Mary A WILLOUGHBY head wid 55 needlewoman b.Rochester Kent
Emily R dau 21 housemaid b.Kensington

RG13/36 folio 192 page 66
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Millie in 1891 = Emily R in 1901

Have you found Mary A WILLOUGHBY (b1844 Rochester) in the 1881 census

Casalguidi