Willoughby, Chatham, Kent. Can you help with a Census?

[valsul]

Can you help with the 1871 Census for any of these people?


WILLIAM HENRY UNDERHILL WILLOUGHBY was born on 1825 in Chatham, Kent, died 1899 in Lewisham, London, England. He married Mary A Pearse Pierce Pearce 1843 Clapham, Surrey, England, daughter of Frederick Pearce Pierce and Anna  Turtle. She was born on 1819 in Clapham, Surrey, England
Children
ii.        Joseph Underhill Willoughby, B: 1846 in Christchurch, Surrey, England
iii.       John Underhill Willoughby, B: 1848 in Chatham, Kent, England
iv.       Emillie Underhill Willoughby, B: 1850 in Chatham, Kent, England
v.       Rebecca Underhill Willoughby, B: 1855 in Chatham, Kent, England
vi.       Frederick Stephen Underhill Willoughby, B: 1856 in Chatham, Kent,
vii      Edward Daniel Underhill, B: 1860 in St Margaret, Kent, England

[CaroleW]

Hi and welcome to Rootschat

I notice the 1899 death reg just shows him as William Henry Willoughby

The only 1881 census I can find for his profile does not match the children you list or his wife

In 1851 - William is not with his family but Mary Ann is shown as married

In 1861 - Mary Ann is shown as a widow

I think the 1899 death you found is that of another illiam H Willoughby who is on the 1881 census with wife Emma

[valsul]

Thankyou. I do have him married to an Emma. Could this be a second marriage?
If so what happened to his first wife. This is a very messy family, with the Underhill and Willoughby names interchanged at ALL TIMES. This is why I cant track them and believe me I have been researching for YEARS. I just need another persons input
Val

[CaroleW]

Do you have a copy of his 1843 marriage cert?  What was his occupation at that time?
 
The 1881 William Willoughby was shown as single in 1851 and was in lodgings in Billericay Essex.  His occupation was a sergeant in the marines

Cannot find him in 1861

In 1871 he is shown as a naval pensioner and married to Emma with 3 children

In 1881 he is shown as Greewich Pensioner Yeoman Royal Body Guard

No logical marriage to an Emma that ties in with their eldest child's birth 1865/66

[CaroleW]

Edward Daniel Underhill Willoughby Christening  23 Oct 1859
Rochester Kent
Father William Henry Willoughby
Mother  Mary Ann

WILLIAM HENRY WILLOUGHBY    Spouse  MARY ANN PEARCE    Marriage  15 AUG 1843   Holy Trinity Clapham, Surrey
 

[CaroleW]

They also had a daughter b 1844

Mary Ann Willoughby  Christening:  25 AUG 1844   Saint Margaret Rochester Kent,   Father  William Henry Willoughby    Mother  Mary Ann 

Daughters Emily and Rebecca were both christened on 27.8.1856 at the above church according to the IGI extracted records

[polarbear]

Hello Valsul and welcome to RootsChat

Hi Carol

This looks like it might be the family in 1871...

Kent St Margaret Rochester 13 p.14

James Underhill, Head, Mar, 76, Fisherman, b. Kent Alesford
Joseph, Son, Unm, 24, Engine Driver at Engine Factory, b. Kent Chatham
John, Son, Unm, 22, Fisherman, b. ditto
Frederick, Son, Unm, 15, Fisherman, b. ditto
Edward, Son, Unm, 12, Scholar, b. ditto
John Pearce, Brother in Law, 34, Painter, b. Surrey Clapham
Rebecca Birch, Sister, 67, b. Kent Strood

No sign of Mary Ann so far.

James Underhill and Mary Ann Willoughby are in the same household as John Pearce in the 1861 Census.

Polarbear

[casalguidi]

Hmmmmm, see what you mean .............

The father of Edward Daniel Underhill WILLOUGHBY baptised 1859 Rochester is William Henry WILLOUGHBY a sgt in the Marines http://www.rootschat.com/links/06xl/

Casalguidi

[CaroleW]

So that puts the cat amongst the pigeons!!

I can see only one way forward here - a copy of one of the birth certs from the second "marriage" to find Emma's maiden name

1881 census for Deptford St Paul

William H. Willoughby 56 b Chatham
Emma   49  b Surrey
Harry W 15  b Kennington Surrey
Louisa A 13   ditto
Herbert F 11  ditto
Charles E 7  b Brockley Kent
Emily F 4               ditto
RG11 Piece 715 Folio 36 Page 12

Births March qtr 1870
 
Herbert Frank Willoughby    Lambeth  1d 454

HERBERT FRANK WILLOUGHBY   Birth 7 FEB 1870   
Christening 1 MAY 1870   Saint Dunstan Stepney   
Father  WILLIAM HENRY WILLOUGHBY   Mother  EMMA