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[casalguidi]

The birthplace of Albert Victor should be Norwood (Surrey) not Horwood

1891 - 1 Whiteley Road, St Mary Lambeth (Norwood), London

Henry BAKER head wid 49 manager iron tub wash house b.Hampton in Arden Warwickshire
Charles P son 8 b.London E
William H son 4 b.Leyton Essex
Albert V son 1 b.Norwood Surrey
Georgina MENNIA? housekeeper mar 21 domestic servent b.Jarrow on Tyne

RG12/419 folio 74 page 15

Casalguidi

[Nellie09]

What's an H/N between friends 

Thanks for that.  Now off to 1881 and lets hope the bugger has a wife listed!

Nellie

[Valda]

Hi

Ditto the 1891 census for the family which includes Georgina and an older son.

1891 census RG12 419 folio 74
1 Whiteley Road Norwood Lambeth
Henry Baker 49 Head Widower Manager Iron tub warehouse Hampton in Arden Warwickshire
Charles P Baker 8 Son London E  
William H Baker 4 Son Leyton Essex  
Albert V Baker 1 Son Norwood
Georgina Mennie? 21 Housekeeper Married Domestic Servant Jarrow on Tyne


No further forward with Georgina and this different surname or birthplace.


There is a Chales P Baker of the right age born Southwark living with his grandparents the Latimers on the 1901 census. Can't see a Baker/Latimer marriage though and he looks a bit young for the Chales P of the 1891 census

Births Mar 1886  
BAKER  Charles Percy    St. Saviour  1d 83


Regards

Valda

[casalguidi]

Georgina HEDDINGTON married (one of the two possible spouses) David MENNIE 1888 South Shields registration district June quarter 1888 ref. 10a 879 http://freebmd.rootsweb.com

Possible .................

1881 - 18 Commercial Rd, Hedworth Monkton & Jarrow, Durham

William HEDDINGTON head mar 51 boiler maker b.Bitton Gloucestershire
Elizabeh wife 38 b.Bitton Gloucestershire
Georgina dau 11 b.Aberdeen

RG11/5023 folio 41 page 30

Casalguidi

[Valda]

Hi


On the 1891 census David Mennie is with his married sister. His status is married but no wife. Still married in 1901 and still no wife.


Regards

Valda

[Nellie09]

Hi all,
Right, let me get my head around this.  I was aware of the possibility of the George P Baker but have always assumed he died as a child as the other brothers were always refered to as 'Those 4 boys' by the family.

The Headington/Heddington connection could be interesting.  I can see no reason why
a. He couldnt have married his house keeper
b. Names do get changed and altered especially in an heavily iliterate age....

Therefore it could be possible that Georgina left Jarrow and her husband and went to the big smoke and shacked up with her employer unable to marry again due to an existing marriage.  I live a stones throw from South Shields so I can dig around there this week.

I saw the Latimer grandchild too.  By the time their George P was 15, mine would have been 18.  BUT  there is no knowing what the circumstances were that led the boy to live with his maternal grandparents and on other branches of my tree I have seen similar age gaps etc.  What I am thinking now is that Henry might not have married either wife.  It seems I will need to get a copy of George P Baker's birth certificate.  If that lists a father as Henry and it all fits then the Latimer famiy would be the missing mother.

By all accounts, Henry was a rogue so none of this would be out of character for him.  I am so grateful for all of this help.  You must all either have complete faily trees but are still addicted to research or are just wonderfully kind!

Nellie

[Valda]

Hi

To establish the mother's maiden name it might be safer to go for Albert's birth certificate

Births Sep 1889
Baker  Albert Victor     Lambeth  1d 513

If Charles' P's birth registration is completely wrong (and the age isn't quite right) then you are no further forward with that. If Albert's mother's maiden name isn't Latimer it tends to exclude that census as a possibility if it is then you have the maternal grandparents anyway.


Regards

Valda

[Nellie09]

Hi all

Just ordered Victor's birth certificate and now have a good couple of weeks till it arrives.  I want it now!!

Never mind.

Nellie

[Valda]

Hi

Checked the 1891 census and Chas Percy is living with his grandparents the Latimers. There is no other Charle P Bakers registration between 1881 and 1884 so either the P is incorrect on the 1891 census or his birth may have been registered in his mother's maiden name.

A possible for Henry in 1881 which would tie in with Charles P's birthplace of 'London E'

RG11 492 folio 24
24 Atley Road Bow
Henry Baker 40 Head Unmarried Warehouseman Hampton
Elisa English 70 Widow Boarder Visitor Housekeeper Gloucestershire
Jane Heslen 12 Visitor London

1861 census - details consistent with the family in Hampton in Arden on the 1841 census. Henry was a servant in Meriden on the 1851 census.

1861 census RG92189 folio 91
Back Lane Hampton in Arden Warwickshire
Ann Baker 56 Head Widow Charwoman Castle Bromwich Warwickshire 
Henry Baker 24 Son Married Warehouseman Hampton Warwickshire
Samuel Baker 21 Son Unmarried Sash vendor Hampton Warwickshire   
William Ludford? 11 Grandson Coventry Warwickshire
Mary 9 Ludford? Granddaughter Coventry Warwickshire
plus 3 lodgers

The early marriage would explain why Henry may not have married the mothers of his children.

HENRY BAKER
Christening:  11 DEC 1836   Hampton In Arden, Warwick
Father:  WILLIAM BAKER
Mother:  ANNE 

No obvious candidates for Henry Baker on the 1871 census. There is a Henry Baker in Bow born circa 1836 no birthplace given, but his circumstances are a bit different and the surname Baker is very common. It might however explain how Henry moved from Hampton in Arden to Bow.


What happened to the children after Henry's death?


Regards

Valda