National Archives microfilm

[Nellie09]

Hi

I am looking for the marriage of Henry Baker (aka William Henry Baker) to a Georgina Headington. 

In 1891 Henry is listed as a widower but by Jan 1892 he and Georgina have been married and had a baby.  The Anglican church in their area was Christ Church Gipsy Hill.  The microfilm role number is  X72/21.

The registers are only avaliable on microfilm and I live in Newcastle!

Nellie

[nanny jan]

Hi,

Are you certain it was a church wedding?  They could have married in a Register Office or in another area.........or perhaps not.   

Have you looked for the registration on FreeBMD? 

http://freebmd.rootsweb.com


The microfilms for Gipsy Hill are probably at the London Metropolitan Archives.


Nanny Jan

[Valda]

Hi

Marriage registers would be held at the London Metropolitan Archives but your issue is there doesn't appear to be a marriage registered. No Georgina Headingtons on FreeBMD for BMDs.

Do the couple appear as a married couple on the 1901 census?

Regards

Valda

[Nellie09]

Hi

By 1901 Henry is living listed as a widower with a house keeper and his four sons.

I am at a complete loss. I have his third sons (her firsts) birth certificate and when she registered his birth she lists herself as Georgina Baker formerly Headington.  I cannot find her in ANY census neither can I find Henry's marriage to his first wife or Georgina. 

I dont know where to look. I threw all my hopes in with the birth certificate.  It seems stange to know so much yet also so little.

Nellie

[Nellie09]

Feeling even more down hearted now....just been on the Newham council site which openly states they hold all the registry office records and marriage records from all denominations for the period I want..........BUT......they won't let you see them.

Stuck and fed up.

 

Nellie

[nanny jan]

My gt.grandmother registered all 10 of her children calling herself Mrs...........; formerly.........          Somehow forgot to get themselves to the church or register office!

I searched for a long time for a marriage until an elderly relative commented one day........"Oh they never got married"   


Nanny Jan

[dawnsh]

Hi Nellie

The registers for marriages which took place at register offices are never open to the public.

I won't be back at the London Metropolitan Archives for a few weeks but can look at the film for 1891 & 1892 to see if they married but their entry didn't make its way onto the GRO list. Many 1000's of marriages haven't for all sorts of reasons, missed off the quarterly returns, missed indexed under a different name, just missed off by the clerks who made the lists.

If that search fails, then you can ask Newham to search the register office marriages but they do charge £18

http://www.newham.gov.uk/Services/FamilyHistoryAndGenealogy/FAQs/default.htm#1

But as Nanny Jan suggests, you may be surprised at the number of couples who just 'didn't get around to it', Rootschat has a lot of similar stories.

Dawn

[Valda]

Hi

Could you give the details of the family from the 1901 census please and Henry's first wife?

As Dawn said it is not unusual to have couples who never marry for whatever reason and births that are registered as legitimate when they are not but FreeBMD shows no instances of any Georgina Headingtons and no Georgina Baker deaths registered in the South London area between 1891 and 1901.

Does the fourth son's birth certificate give the same details - Georgina Baker formerly Headington?


Regards

Valda

[Nellie09]

Hi,

In 1901 the family are listed as living in Deptford St Paul.  Henry is listed as a widower aged 63 (he died in 1903).  He has a house keeper in her 40's called Sabina Parks.  The four children are then listed.

The only certificate I currently have is the 3rd childs, Georgina's first Ernest Edgar b. 1892 in Horwood.  The certificate lists their address as Gipsy Hill with Henry's job being a warehouse manager.

Here cometh the problem:
1. The family inherited story - the boys dad was a slight amorous rogue who married a prostitute
2. I cannot find the family in the 1891 Census (by this state there should be
    Henry Baker (aka William Henry Baker b. 1838 Hampden in Arden Warwickshire)
    William Henry Baker b. 1886 in Leytonstone
    Albert Victor (in 1901 census called Victor) b. 1889 in Horwood.
This should be around the time of the first wife.  It was openly talked about that my G-grandfather and his younger brother had a different mum to the older two.

3. For his early life Henry appears to have stayed around Warwickshire although I am struggling to find him in the census post 1851.  Then there is nothing until 1901 when the family appear minus any mothers.

I so wish my grandmother were alive still.  She may have known so much more about her grandparents.  All I have are my mothers memories and a few scant photos of the four boys together.

Nellie