Gyspy Surname

[Redroger]

Thanks Steve, I too have a Burge from Dorset in the tree. Any Luffman entries?

[Steve G]

  Burge, from Dorset??? Now my heart's pounding! Nothing to do with Hawkers, or similar trades, were they?

 I must just go see to my creatures. Then I'll be back here and can settle down properly.

 Luffman? Not as yet, I'm afraid.

Give me half an hour or so. Rushed off my feet just yet.

[Redroger]

Betty Burge, my likely 4 great grandmother buried 28th September 1760 at Henstridge Somerset,the wife of William Luffman b 1718 Oborne Dorset, died 1784 Henstridge.He was the son of Mathew Luffman b 1685 Maperton Som. and Sarah Busse or Bassett.William and Betty married 4th Oct 1748 in Henstridge. Unfortunately I have no further information.

[Steve G]

  Roger; Have you ever made contact with David Burge? If not, let's take this to PM and I'll sort ye out.

[dudleylad]

Niether are listed in The Book of Bob, DudleyLad. But Green is strongly represented, along with a couple of derivatives. So, that one's a possibility.

 " Povey " ? One that has a ring, for me. I knew a Povey. I'm also quite sure I've seen it listed, elsewhere, as of Gypsy connotation.

 Interesting thing is; Here, in Eire, Gypsys are known as " Pavie's ". I've heard it pronounced ' Paw Vee ' ..... See what I'm saying? 
 

Thanks very much Steve G, the Povey line on my fiancees side is confusing to say the least

[Redroger]

Steve G. Tried contacting David Burge on the link you gave me, result so far nothing. Anything you can do would be very helpful.

[vince smith]

Stevie G and Dudleylad,

I have a non Gypsy, Povey friend who told me that the true pronunciation was Puvvey.  He also told me that someone in his family had been DNA tested and that the male line was Neolithic British ( pre Celtic).

This fits nicely into the theory that  the Irish Pavee Travellers are the descendants of the original inhabitants of these islands.  I think that whilst Povey is certainly not a Gypsy/ Traveller name, there could be an ancient tie there.

On An65's excellent site there are Poveys listed as lodgers with the Boswell family.

[Steve G]

 Ye've got me thinking now, Vince. DNA, eh? Hmm. Seriously; The idea's been floating about in the back of my mind for a week or three now. I might have to look back into it.

 See, the fact is, I've always been more fascinated with my maternal line. Simply because they're more fascinating! They're a real hotch potch of intriguing possibilities.

 My paternal side? Peas in a pod as far back as I've got. But, then they drop off the radar and I, effectively, haven't got a as to my roots. Ironically; My mothers side were well known to have travelled as 'Gypsys'. Yet my Dads lot carry a well known Romani surname!

 I haunt these boards really in search of clues to the maternal lot. Be bloody ironic if my Dad turned out to lead back to India! 

[Redroger]

On the subject of DNA, particularly pre neolithic, "The Origins of the British" by Stephen Oppenheimer is a very worthwhile read. His thesis in a nutshell is that the vast majority of people living in Britain today descend from a group of people who survived the last Ice Age in a refuge area in northern Spain, which approximates to the Basque region today.