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Gyspy Surname
« on: Wednesday 12 August 09 23:07 BST (UK) »
I was wondering if anyone can tell me is Loveless a gypsy surname?
Cuz people have said it is but i cant find any think to see if its true!
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Re: Gyspy Surname
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 13 August 09 17:01 BST (UK) »
I don't think so Jodie, But you have something far more exciting. Loveless was the surname of one of the Tolpuddle martyrs. Try googling that to find out about it.
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« Reply #2 on: Saturday 15 August 09 14:25 BST (UK) »
Jode; I'd suspect people are confusing  Loveless with strongly traditional Gypsy names such as Lovell and Loveridge  ;)
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« Reply #3 on: Sunday 16 August 09 09:12 BST (UK) »
Is Lavengro a gypsey surname?
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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 16 August 09 13:52 BST (UK) »
 No, mate.  Lavengro translates as 'Man of Words'.  I don't really think there's an accepted surname one could match that into.
 
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Re: Gyspy Surname
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 16 August 09 14:18 BST (UK) »
Does anyone know if Povey or Greenhouse surnames have strong gypsy roots

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« Reply #6 on: Sunday 16 August 09 14:26 BST (UK) »
Niether are listed in The Book of Bob, DudleyLad. But Green is strongly represented, along with a couple of derivatives. So, that one's a possibility.

 " Povey " ? One that has a ring, for me. I knew a Povey. I'm also quite sure I've seen it listed, elsewhere, as of Gypsy connotation.

 Interesting thing is; Here, in Eire, Gypsys are known as " Pavie's ". I've heard it pronounced ' Paw Vee ' ..... See what I'm saying?  ;)
 
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« Reply #7 on: Monday 17 August 09 08:23 BST (UK) »
A friend once told me that Porritt came from Irish tinker stock, can anyone confirm please? Also, how about the surname Tinker, occupational or gypsey roots?
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« Reply #8 on: Monday 17 August 09 13:39 BST (UK) »
Redroger; Bob Dawson doesn't list 'Porrit'. But, then he doesn't really 'do' Irish Gypsy names in this book. So that sort of leaves that one up in the air, as far as we can take it with my one book of such matters.

 Saying that though; As soon as I read 'Porrit', my mind wanted to say " Padraig ". See?

 Hmm. Just in case anyone coming across this thinks, " What in blazes is the man on about?! ". Here's a break down: I once read a novel featuring a " Padraig ". Every time I read that name, my mind said " Pad Raig ". I figured it was just the authors way of giving " Patrick " that Irish drag. I guessed the Irish spelled 'Patrick' as 'Padraig' as an Irish alternative.

 Then, one night in the pub ~ here in Eire ~ I called a taxi. My friends asked me who I called and I told them " Pad'Raig ". Then watched in horror as the looks of " Eh?! ". " WTF's he on about?! ". " Who?! ". Passed among them.

 Five minutes later, in walked my 'Padraig' and all the locals started greeting him; " Ahh! Hullo, PORRIG! ..... "  :-\  I learned.  I've also since detected that a man can be 'Porrick' too. There's a distinction.

 " Porrit " ? Again, like I say, nothing I can cite in lit. But ye see where I'm coming from?


" Tinker " ? I'd always believed that to be an occupational description. Like Smith. British, at that. Brit's call Irish and Scottish Gypsys 'Tinkers'. The Irish call them " Knackers ". That too stems from a job description; They often take the job of removing fallen livestock.

 I think I'll stop there. Else we'll be off into the realms of Romanes next, and I can already sense ye eyes glazing over!  ;D
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