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Re: Millar of Kirkcudbright Caerlaverock Terregles and Troqueer
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 12:10 BST (UK) »
William Millar was 'of Minnigaff' on Bryce Burgess Millar's bpt record in 1835. I'm still trying to work out how the Caerlaverock/Tongland Millars are linked apart from the same surname.  I can't see anything to back up the claim that William (who you say was b.c. 1808)and John (b. 1794) were brothers).


I checked the 1841 and don't find a William Millar/Miller  in Minigaff but there are a number of possibles in Kirkcudbrightshire and Dumfriesshire. There is only one born circa 1808 though - or 1806-1811 to allow for the 1841 census rounding - a William Millar, in Dalry, aged 35, b. Ireland

The name Bryce/Brice is an unusual one in the family. I wonder if that is a clue to the Millar family.


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Re: Millar of Kirkcudbright Caerlaverock Terregles and Troqueer
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 16:15 BST (UK) »
I have sent a message to our Toronto researcher for clarification on the inclusion of William from Minnigaf. If I recall this was based on word of mouth thru the family as there is little other than the Bryce Burgess Millar baptism reference to "William of Minigaff" (I must admit that is quite a distance from Dumfries and Caelaverock...but not too far to rule out.). Otherwise we have no idea if he died prior to the 1841 Census, is hiding or has moved elsewhere in the British Domain. If you note my initial post refers to the tentative nature of this relative. My hope is that perhaps some other researcher into Burgess and the KKD/Dumfries history may click on something more concrete.

The samples you found of William's born around that time could be right as well and thus put William as possible cousin to our John b 1794. Perhaps the parent James Millar is connected to Janet Stoba's John Millar. This would push the possible connection back a generation.

Agnes McMichael's marriage to James Dargavel in 1843 and Bryce's rearing by her parents shows that her relationship with William was not enduring for whatever reason. The naming of Bryce by the birth father's surname is indicative of something above a casual encounter I would think. My experience with contemporary Millar's shows a desire to hide such indiscretions at all cost.  :o :o

We are also at a loss as to what became of Blacksmith John Millar b 1794 Caerlaverock. There was a notice to creditors in around 1860 but we are unsure whether he died about then or just liquidated because he and wife Margaret were off to join their children in Canada. Margaret Millar (nee Francis) did show up alone in the 1881 Canada Census with her youngest son David in Muskoka, and she died around 1887 and is buried on the homestead there.

Hope that helps to explain things so far. (Got the clarification and am PMing you)

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Re: Millar of Kirkcudbright Caerlaverock Terregles and Troqueer
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 16:23 BST (UK) »
Hi

I think I know all the Burgess KKD researchers alive, RH,  and have been in contact with them for about 7 years. I also have all the information that was left with the Parton Kirk Sessions Clerk for future researchers by long dead cousins and have made contact with a  descendant of each child of John Burgess and Jean Spalding.

My Toronto researcher cousin did have lots of errors in her initial tree - like marriages before births, etc. which I queried with her a few years back.

I've spent years correcting many errors in the line and have passed my information on to other cousins.

Basically, if I don't have it, I've not come across anyone who has  more.

At that time, it was quite usual for illegitimate children to be known by the surname of the father, if known.


Did you get the 1808 birth date via our mutual contact?


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Re: Millar of Kirkcudbright Caerlaverock Terregles and Troqueer
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 11 August 09 16:53 BST (UK) »
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I've spent years correcting many errors in the line and have passed my information on to other cousins.
I pm'd you the reasoning behind including William in with our Millars. It is word of mouth from first hand sources and has a place in furthering research until proven wrong.

I think we all have and are all trying to eliminate errors. Peer review and collaboration is a good way to do that. The IGI (and family research centers) was one of the few (online) resources available a few years ago and it is riddled with spurious fabrications. The Mormon/LDS motivation for collecting much of this data is more in response to "religious zeal" to proselytize "the dead" and less to the pursuit of fact. I am glad it is there, but it has its shortcomings....I digress.

I submit that the more we push away at these "walls" the closer we get to the truth. After viewing these other two threads on Burgess I think it is inevitable if not the ultimate goal each of us has. The positive results from those threads is what inspired my post.

Likewise it was your input on those threads and this one that encourage me to explore Rootschat further as you are an able researcher, no doubt.

Have you ever been able to establish ships passage and transport, Scotland to Canada for any of these families?

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