CARROLL- HARTIGAN -Limerrick-Australia

[Elaine D]

My GG Grandfather, JOHN CARROLL, went to South Australia on the CHARLOTTE JANE in 1852 with his wife, sons Patrick, John, Edmund and Thomas. Also daughters, Johanna and Maria, my great grandmother. My great grandmother was born/baptized 18/01/1847 at EFFIN parish in GARRENDERK district, County Limerick. Her mother was Joanna Hartigan. The sponsors were Thomas HARTIGAN and Joanna QUILAN. Does this family connect with yours?
Hope to hear, Elaine D

[jcarroll]

I am descended from Thomas Carroll from Effin in Limerick. He was born sometime between 1797 & 1801. In 1827 he was transported to Australia for life after being convicted for firing houses. I have been unable to go any further back than Thomas & have not been able to find out any information about his family etc. Would be very interested to know if his name has come up in any of your research.

[Elaine D]

Hi - wish I could help you but I have very little knowledge about the Carroll's. My great grandmother, Marie Carroll,was born in Effin in 1847. Her parents were John Carroll and Johanna Hartigan.  In 1863 she married John Taylor in Adelaide, South Australia and had three children. She came to America [New York City] in 1876 with the three children. I haven't been able to find when she went to Australia. Was she an adult or did she come with her parents when she was a child? So many unanswered questions and I wish that I had information for you. The Catholic church record start in Effin in 1834 so they would not be too helpful. Good luck with your quest. Bunny

[krisesjoint]

Hi Bunny,

Was Mary a second wife? passenger list for the CHARLOTTE JANE lists John's wife as Mary

http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/australia/charlottejane1852.htm

Not much in the BISA (Biographic Index of SA - not always accurate)

CARROLL John born about 1816 Limerick arrived 1852 aboard the CHARLOTTE JANE occupation Agricultural Labourer
married Mary who was born about 1816
children Ja about 1839, Edmund about 1840, Maud about 1847, Thos about 1849

CARROLL John born about 1836 Limerick arrived 1852 aboard the CHARLOTTE JANE occupation Agricultural Labourer

CARROLL Patrick born about 1835 Limerick arrived 1852 aboard the CHARLOTTE JANE occupation Agricultural Labourer

TAYLOR John residence Hectorville religion RC
married 28 Nov 1868 Adelaide SA Maria nee CARROLL

The marriage was in 1868 not 1863

TAYLOR John 30 single father Francis TAYLOR = CARROLL Maria 22 single father John CARROLL 28 Nov 1868 St Patrick Adelaide Dist Ade 77/601

Children's births not registered

Cheers Kris 

[krisesjoint]

And an entry for Thomas who was a priest,

CARROLL Fr Thomas Parents John & Mary  Born 28 Apr 1848 Limerick Died 17 Aug 1938 Norwood SA  Burried WTC SA Arrived SA 14 Jan 1852 from ENG aboard the CHARLOTTE JANE Occupation priest Residence Sevenhill, Norwood Religion RC

There is an  obit in The Southern Cross I can check when next at library if you wish.


Cheers Kris 

[Elaine D]

HI Kris - I don't know if Mary was a second wife or not but that record of  the Charlotte Jane was what lead me to look for my great grandmother's birth in Limerick. The family on the Charlotte Jane may not be my family because of birth records that I was able to get from the church in Effin. John Carroll and Johanna Hartigan had other children born there:- Catherine born in 1849, Michael born 1852, Joanna born 1853, another Michael born 1858 and James born in 1864. So it looks like they were still in Ireland. The birth record for Maria Carroll I got first from the Irish History Foundation website and then from the catholic church in Effin - Our Lady Queen of Peace. Of coarse I could have the wrong Maria Carroll but what are the chances of two people being born on the exact birth date and with the same set of parents that are on her death certificate from New York City. My father and his siblings didn't know much about their grandparents such as any brothers and sisters or when she went to South Australia. There is a Thomas Carroll listed as a witness  on some marriage records that I have  for 1866 and 1870. These names are all so common - that doesn't help with the problem.                                        Thank you for your response, Bunny

[Elaine D]

Hello again - The three children of Maria Carroll and John Taylor were all baptized at St. Ignatius Church in Norwood. Maybe there is a connection between the families. Bunny

[krisesjoint]

Hi Elaine,

Yes doesn't sound like your family arriving in 1852 if they were having children in Effin until 1864. I was at the library today and Father Thomas's obit does not help with his family unfortunately.

The only other arrival I could find for a Maria CARROLL was aboard the MARY SHEPPERD 19 Apr 1863 a domestic servant aged 19

Mainly single females aboard. one list really hard to read I think said from Monmouth the other said England

Conduct: Well      Behaved very badly

Cheers Kris 

[Elaine D]

Hi Kris - The Maria Carroll on the ship Mary Shepperd  is 3years older than my Maria Carroll but people do lie about their ages for whatever reason. Trouble is that there are so many Maria Carroll's. I'll keep trying. I guess if this search was easy it wouldn't be any fun. Hope that your research is going better than mine. Thank you for the info, Elaine "Bunny"