william thomas currie

[lilac care]

Auckland sounds like England - wet and windy. At least you have an excuse - it's winter! We're supposed to be having summer!

I think Lula was called Lulu sometimes. Did you say you saw something in a paper? Is she newsworthy! I know she was a teacher, visiting England for a year and also went to Canada to visit her uncle (her mother's brother).

Well, it certainly makes sense that there were two more brothers out in New Zealand. However, William Thomas and Samuel Wilson were both Presbyterian ministers and I think the family was VERY Presbyterian (William's wife, Queenie, came from a long line of Scottish Covantanters - the Spreulls). So the fact that your tree says Joseph Lyons married Eliza Keyes at the Church of Ireland St Patrick, Coleraine, is a bit unsettling!

John and Sarah Keys looks more promising, if only because their son, John has the second given name of "Guthrie" (which is also a given name for John's father (if that is who it is!!) The cemetery notes would make him born 1881 (your tree has him born 1895). And William Alexander in 1884. The list of births to this couple from the NZ BMDs also lists a Christina (b. 1880) and a Charles (b. 1888). I'll go back in a minute to see if I can find an Edward - that would make the marriage announcement you found make sense.

Then all we need to do is link this John to Joseph Lyons and you!

then we can be cousins!!! (I have now discovered cousins in Virginia, Canada, and Lincolnshire - to name but a few!)

[NZ Kiwi]

This is getting very interesting, two things I do know for sure is that Eliza Jane and Sarah Keyes are my family members, I also have Sarah Keyes and John Currie's marriage cert (I will try to attach to this posting) so I am reasonably happy with them, now when it comes to Joseph you are starting to make me wonder for the following reasons.
1. Joseph and Eliza separated and lived apart (not a big one in todays world but back then was not all that common as by then they had two kids).
2. Joseph ended up digging gum in the North and by what I can gather died with not too much to his name were John done very well for himself (again not a biggie as I know this does happen within families).
3. On Josephs death print out his fathers name is listed as Adam Currie, on John & Sarah's marriage cert John's father is listed as Edward Currie however on his death print out it is listed as Adam Currie at this point I am confused if they don't know their fathers name what show have I got.
I thought and might have jumped to conclusions that John & Joseph were brothers perhaps they were cousins or some other Currie family all together, my gut feeling tells me no they are brothers.
I am not too sure what info that you have on Joseph and John but I will try to attach what I have to this posting.

The following link will take you to the paper cutting were I picked out LuLu Currie
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=NZH19310113.2.5.5&cl=search&srpos=2&e=-------10--1----2%22LuLu+Currie%22--&st=1

I hope you can understand why I am confused and can shine some light on the subject, I would like to obtain Joseph's marriage and birth info and Johns Birth info and this would I hope clear there fathers name up.
I have the same problem with Sarah as on her marriage cert it lists her father as John Keys this is not correct should be George must have been too much wine flowing.

[lilac care]

The newspaper cutting described the wedding where my father, aged five, was the page boy. We still have the " suit of primrose crepe de chine"! My father is now 88! Wonderful!

I have been scouring Emerald Ancestors but have had no joy trying to sort out these Currys! It's too far back. I've also had a look at Scotlandspeople because around that time there was a lot of migration of the Presbyterians from Western Scotland to Ireland, but no joy there, either.  I agree with you that Joseph and John are brothers. The fact that Joseph has the name Lyons as a given name and John's mother's maiden name is Lyons according to his death certificate would support this.

I have a marriage certificate for William Guthrie Curry (aged 21) to Isabella Pollock (aged 21) at the Registrar's Office, Coleraine, on 7th January 1846. William's father is Thomas, a farmer and Isabella's is Samuel Pollock, also a farmer, of Quilly Head. (I am hopeless at IT so don't know how to attach it!) So I don't think your two are brothers to him.

I can definitely link William Guthrie and Isabella to the Rev William Thomas, the Rev Samuel Wilson et al. There are missing sons in my tree, however.

I wonder if your Edward (or Adam!) is a brother of William Guthrie. The fact the marriage announcement for Edward (jnr) refers to the Rev WT as "uncle" may be a bit of licence. My instinct is that there is definitely a connection, though. That name Guthrie crops up again. I downloaded the photo of John from your tree. I think I can detect the dimple in the chin that has come down to my father through his father!
By the way - have you found Edward Guthrie Currie's World War One record? You can download it from http://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz. My Vieira's is there, too.
Can you send me details of your family and how you link up to John and Joseph? It is lovely to think there are still some of my relatives in New Zealand - I thought they had all died out because my father is an only child, two of his aunts never married and the other one (the wedding notice one) had a son who died young).
You've certainly stirred me up - I had virtually given up on this bit of my tree!

[NZ Kiwi]

I am not a blood relation to the Currie's, Sarah Currie nee Keyes is my Great, Great Aunt (I think that is correct) Sarah Keyes and Alexander George Keyes are sister & brother and Alexander George is my Great Grand Father.
My Dad who passed away early this year at aged 92 told me that he can remember being taken to Edward Currie's dental practice by his father as a kid and how he hated it nothing has changed as I hate dentists too.
I guess that your Dad can shine no light on the subject either if he is anything like my Dad he was not interested in family history.
I have just been adding to the family tree as I find information, I find it fascinating and love the challenge to fit the pieces together as you say I think that there is a link between the two families it's just a matter of finding that one bit that links it all together.
It was interesting to hear that the page boy was your Dad and you still have the suit that he wore.
I have scanned though database after database and cannot find any Irish records (birth) on John & Joseph Currie also so my Keyes family in Ireland, I am hopeful one day that I will get lucky.
I am glad that I have stirred you up and got you looking at the Currie family again and if we do find that link you will again have relatives in NZ.
If you want further info on what I have just let me know, Attached is Joseph Currie's shanty, the book say's around 1921 Joseph died in 1917 (cannot remember the name of the book) I would love to think that the old guy with the beard is old Joe but who knows the photo might be earlier than 1917.
The name Montague crops up in Joe's "Will".