Alcock - Bentley - Payne Puzzle

[Mackiwi]

Can anyone help

I have William Bentley Payne b. Abt 1838 Minster Sheppey, Kent  he married Catherine Feakins in 1864 and they came to New Zealand in 1875.
His parents are my problem.
On his death certificate his mother is Sarah Payne nee Alcock but the only marriage I can find is for a William Payne and Sarah Bentley in 1840.
I found a death notice for his mother in 1909 where she had been living with her daughter at 102 Milton St, Southend - on - Sea, Essex.

Was Sarah married before to someone named Bentley? Records I found only go back to 1837 

Any suggestions welcome

Mackiwi

[PaulineJ]

They may have married pre-registration. Or after William's birth. Did you find any birth reg to match?

William (20-24)y
Sarah (20-24y)
William 1y
Harriott 4m

1841ref ? HO107/474; Bk16 F8; Pg10

[PaulineJ]

1851 ref: HO107; Piece: 1628; Folio: 331; Page: 35

Sarah 38y b  Frinstead.

[casalguidi]

His birth appears to have been registered with the surname of BENTLEY 1839 Sheppey registration district http://freebmd.rootsweb.com - this usually indicates the surname of the mother at the time.

Casalguidi

[Mackiwi]

Thank you Casalguidi I followed that up and now have it.

Pauline J I take it those are 1841 & 1851 Census What surname did you use ?

Mackiwi 

[PaulineJ]

Pauline J I take it those are 1841 & 1851 Census What surname did you use ?

Mackiwi 

yes they are & I didn't enter any surname

[Firstupau]

I am late into this game. 

I looked up a scan of William Bentley Payne's death certificate and I see that the informant certifying the death is the undertaker.  I now think he had a "brain fade" when it came to entering the parents names on the record.

This will mean Alcock is a complete red herring.  A series of searches on the web yesterday finds lots of Bentley's in Kent around Frinsted and that locality but no Alcocks.  A similar search on Alcock and Bentley only uncovers this email thread on Roots Chat.

Thanks
Brett Payne
Central Coast NSW (ex-Taranaki, NZ)

[casalguidi]

I now think he had a "brain fade" when it came to entering the parents names on the record.

Possibly .............. his information would only be as accurate as that provided by living relatives/associates.  Sarah's marriage certificate should provide some details of her father assuming she wasn't illegitimate.

Casalguidi

[Firstupau]

I have copies now of the Marriage Index pages from FreeBMD for both William Payn and Sarah Bentley that match with regard to Church (Sheppey), year and quarter (March quarter 1840).

I am not sure how to take the next step from Index to a copy of the record yet, but that is on my agenda.

Also searched for Sarah Alcock and (anyone) Alcock for Sheppey and even a marriage in Kent in 1840 plus or minus a few years but draw a blank (as I expect I should if my theory is correct).

Thanks
Brett