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Albert John WALKER, coachman, of Kensington
« on: Wednesday 05 August 09 16:39 BST (UK) »
My problem is Albert John WALKER (born Isle of Wight). In Kensington at the 1881 census when he claimed to be married to Mary Ann Wolfe and was the father of several children (Henry, Gurney, Ernest & Ethel). Subsequent children Percy in 1882,Arthur in 1884 and Ada in 1887 whose birth certificate states father, Albert John, to be deceased.

I can find no evidence of marriage between Albert John & Mary Ann. I can find no evidence of Albert John’s death/burial.

Mary Ann died in 1892 and Ada was sent to Stockwell orphanage.

I think it highly likely that Albert John WALKER married Laura WESTON in Brading on 15 Feb 1866 of whom I can find no trace after the 1871 census.

Of possible relevance is a baptism of Percy Albert John WALKER son of Albert, coachman, and Mary of Bisley at Bisley, Surrey on 11 April 1896. I can find no registration of this birth.

Almost everything about Albert John makes one suspicious that he was covering his tracks … or am I becoming paranoic?

Can anybody cast any light?

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Re: Albert John WALKER, coachman, of Kensington
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 06 August 09 11:05 BST (UK) »
Hi

If Albert's marriage to Louisa broke up then like many other ordinary working class couples divorce (until after the First World War when free legal aid became available) was not an option. They went their separate ways and if they made another relationship they either married bigamously, surprisingly common, or else they lived as a married couple. This may very well account for why there is no marriage record between Albert and Mary Ann.

It really rather depends whether Albert was employed by someone and moved around in their service in which case his death might occur outside of London and not necessarily registered in his full name Albert or John.

If he didn't die then you have the problem of where he was on the 1891 and 1901 census and in later death registrations unless you think he took on an alias - even so the 1901 census is searchable on birthplace and occupation and there doesn't look to be any candidates.

Have you looked at the register itself for the baptism in Bisley in 1896? Was it a baby's baptism, a child or an adult baptism? If Ada went into Stockwell orphanage could some of the older children have been placed in other institutions including Albert and Mary's son Percy?

Births Mar 1882   
Walker  Percy Albert T     Kensington  1a 108


http://www.institutions.org.uk/orphanages/SRY/bisley_boys_refuge.htm


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Re: Albert John WALKER, coachman, of Kensington
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 06 August 09 11:57 BST (UK) »
Thank you Valda for your response. May I correct the reference to Albert John's first wife who was Laura WESTON (not Louise). I agree with what you say about this marriage but it seems strange that I cannot find a subsequent trace of Laura.

All I know about Albert's residence is from the 1881 census and the children's birth registrations.

If he did not die I certainly cannot find him and the same goes if he did! There were I believe very severe storms around New Year 1887 and I wonder whether as a coachman he could have been caught in these?

Percy would have been ten years old when his mother died in 1892 so a baptism by his mother in 1896 would have been impossible. His father and another lady is possible but at 14 years old? I could not find Percy in the 1901 census but in 1902 he married (in St Pancras I believe). He was alive in the period around the time of the second world war as I remember him visiting his brother Ernest. He told me that he served in World War 1 at which time he would have been well into his thirties so possibly he was a regular soldier. Of course there may be no connection between the two Percys. In answer to your question I have seen the transcript of the Bisley registers only. As Bisley is an army area I wonder if Percy was a boy soldier and independently decided upon baptism? Presumably he would be asked details of his parents regardless of whether they were alive or not.

Thanks for your interest. Any further help from anyone would be appreciated.

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Re: Albert John WALKER, coachman, of Kensington
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 06 August 09 12:00 BST (UK) »
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engsurry/bisley/tran-bapt.htm
 - yep, it appears a set of boys were all christened on the same date in 1892, some with no fathers and one with no parents listed at all, the reason being given for the missing information that the boys were from the National Refuge School and didn't know the details.

London Metropolitan Archives or Surrey History Centre might hold records relating to the children who were put into homes.

There is in fact a divorce record in 1884 in the NA! But the people listed are "Laura Walker", petitioning for divorce of "Alfred John Walker".  As I can't find a marriage for a "Alfred John Walker" to a Laura, I wonder if this is the same couple and at some point the indexing has gone wrong leaving him as Alfred rather than Albert? Or perhaps he used both names.

There is a Laura Walker, from Whitechurch, Isle of Wight, listed as "unmarried" and aged 36, in London in 1881 as a servant. One of the people she worked for was a barrister...  ;D
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Re: Albert John WALKER, coachman, of Kensington
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 06 August 09 13:27 BST (UK) »
This is very helpful and solves the problem of the "Bisley Percy" I think. I will look to see if his younger brother Arthur was with him at The National Refuge School.

The divorce petition of Laura WALKER looks very interesting and I will follow this up. I had found the 1881 reference but not followed it up enough ... obviously! As far as I can discover there is no 'Whitechurch' on the Isle of Wight but Laura was born at Newchurch in 1840. Give a little license for a girl possibly with a marriage in prospect ... knock off five years and muddy the water regarding place of birth perhaps?

Mind you she could be excused for some confusion. When she got married she thought that her father was Clement WESTON whereas she was the illegitimate child of Celia WESTON who died when she was an infant. Her father was in fact Clement GALE who married after her mother's death but apparently took no responsibility for Laura.

As you begin to see I suspect this has been a tricky family to unravel. Thank you for your help.

Anybody come across Albert John anywhere?

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Re: Albert John WALKER, coachman, of Kensington
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 06 August 09 14:58 BST (UK) »
It also may have been that the person who gave the information was the elderly head of household, Eliza Chitty, and she wasn't sure on the exact ages of her servants, or their precise places of birth. Certainly the addresses of Laura Walker and of Mary and Albert Walker in the 1881 census are tantalisingly close to each other.

I would suggest getting a copy of the divorce case file, which should have some interesting details.  I simply cannot find in 1881 or 1871 any Laura Walker with a husband Alfred, or a possible marriage for them, suggesting it is "Albert", after all.
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Re: Albert John WALKER, coachman, of Kensington
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 06 August 09 15:19 BST (UK) »
Yes. It may well be that Laura & Albert John moved to London and Mary Ann lived nearby. With Albert John being born on the Isle Of Wight and Mary Ann coming from Gosport they would have had some common roots.

I had anticipated you and have ordered the divorce documents. Perhaps they will add to our knowledge. I will let you know what is revealed.

I have been chipping away at this wall for about ten years now and the relief at making some progress is enormous. Thank you.

Now if Albert John will stand up please!

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Re: Albert John WALKER, coachman, of Kensington
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 06 August 09 16:40 BST (UK) »
Hi

You don't need parents alive or present for an older baptism. If the mother died in 1892 then you would expect most of the younger children to enter the poor law system. Percy would have been 10. He may very well have left poor law care and entered the army, though serving in the army during the First World War would not be a reason to suspect that, since most men served in the First World War either as volunteers or conscripts - by the time the war finished married men in their 50s were being conscripted. My grandfather was in his 30s married and with two children. He served and was not released from service until 1920 since he was forced to continue to serve in the army when his regiment was sent to Ireland immediately after the war.

http://ww1talk.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=1526

I would request a copy of the actual baptism entry for 11th April 1896 in the church register deposited with the Surrey History Centre to see if it gives a date of birth as well as the baptism date or indicates this was an older child being baptised, particularly since the transcript gives 13 boys all baptised that day which is well above the average of baptisms in the church - one in January none in February, one in March, one in May, two in June, none in July or August, etc. Three of the boys baptised on the same day as Percy do not have the full information about their parents and it states in the transcript
# These particulars could not be obtained the boys baptised being from the National Refuge School
in this parish and did not know the particulars.


http://www.shaftesbury.org.uk/history/

Tracing Ada's siblings through poor law records and subsequent children's homes may give you further information about their father. If you have followed Ada through the system then you know which London poor law union were responsibile for the family. The records will be held at the LMA, though particular children's home records in Surrey may well be held at Surrey History centre.

So this Albert and his potential first wife?

1871 census RG10 1146 folio 27
6 Richmond Road Portsea
Albert John Walker 28  Head Married Groom Brading Isle of Wight
Laura Walker 30  Wife Married Newchurch Isle of Wight

Marriages Mar 1866  
WALKER  Albert Jacob     I. Wight  2b 663    
WESTON  Laura     I. Wight  2b 663

This marriage took place at St Mary Brading

On the 1861 census Laura aged 20 is in Newchurch and gives Newchurch as her place of birth- more difficult to spot her earlier.

A potential candidate for her on later censuses is this woman.

In Kensington in 1883 Charles Hixon's wife Emma's death is registered in 1883. On the 1891 census in Kensington his wife is Laura aged 50 born Isle of Wight RG12 20 folio 58. They are together with the youngest child, then aged 27 from Charles' marriage to Emma (see 1871 census RG10 33 folio 50). On the 1901 census Laura gives her birthplace as something church - which could easily be Newchurch. She also states Isle of Wight - RG13 21 folio 19. Laura seems to be on her own on the 1911 census in Kensington.

Deaths Mar 1929  
Hixon  Laura  89  Kensington  1a 260

No marriage for a Laura to a Charles Hixon. His death is registered in Paddington in 1901.

Divorce was expensive (until free legal aid became available after the First World War) and it was difficult for a woman to obtain it, though easier for a man who could obtain a divorce from his wife if he proved adultery. Women had to prove bigamy, cruelty, desertion or incest as well as adultery so the law was stacked against them obtaining a divorce. It was just easier for ordinary working people to go on their own way when their marriages failed and established new relationships.


On the 1881 in Kensington census Albert J gave his age as 43 and his birthplace as unspecified Isle of Wight.
Consistent age with the 1841 and 1851 censuses when Albert was 5 in Brading and 16 in Shanklin, a groom born Brading.

On Ada's birth certificate does it specify whether Albert was deceased at the time of her birth/registration. Have you obtained a copy of the previous child's birth certificate to help eliminate a possible earlier death for Albert and Mary Ann cohabitating after his death?

As a coachman working with his family living in Kensington, Albert might very well be employed by a wealthy family who maintained a main London home and property elsewhere. The censuses only tell you where he was in one night every ten years but his occupation could have taken him distances away from his family home (grouse shooting in Scotland!). That makes it difficult to say where he might have died and who registered his death. There is also just a possibility that the death missed being indexed in the GRO register or when the old handwritten volume was retyped as the volumes began to fall apart and were thrown away he was missed off then (there were no checks). The local registry office may do a search for you (though some London registry offices - short staffed and under pressure will not and refer you to the GRO).


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Valda
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Re: Albert John WALKER, coachman, of Kensington
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 06 August 09 18:06 BST (UK) »
This is very helpful, Valda. I will check a few details and wait for the divorce documents that I referred to in a previous post and then come back to you again.