Middlesex Trial Proceedings

[farmeroman]

Hi,
I have found some interesting entries in the England and Wales Criminal Registers for Middlesex that are now available on Ancenstry.com. Years of particular interest to me are 1833, 47, 53 and 77. Does anyone know if the full proceedings are available for viewing at either Kew or the LMA or even online?
Cheers,
Steve.

[PaulineJ]

"About England & Wales, Criminal Registers, 1791-1892
This database contains criminal registers from England and Wales for the years 1791-1892. The criminal registers are a listing of individuals charged with crime. The registers provide information about the charged individual, their trial, and sentence (if convicted) or other outcome."

From http://search.ancestry.co.uk/iexec/?htx=List&dbid=1590&offerid=0%3a7858%3a0

"For more information about these other records, where they’re located, and how to search them, consult The National Archives (TNA) online research guide publication, “Tracing 19th and 20th Century Criminals”, available at www.nationalarchives.gov.uk."

PJ

[Valda]

Hi

These are criminal registers from The National Archives (not just for Middlesex). They are indexes of the Assize Court records (which were held around the country by government appointed judges - hence the records are held at TNA) and quarter sessions. Lower court records - quarter sessions and petty/police court records will be held at local county record offices

The National Archives produce very useful research guides online

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/researchguidesindex.asp?j=1

Check down for Assize court records but for an overview of criminal records read this guide first

Criminals, Tracing 19th and 20th Century

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=120


The records you are looking at are HO 26 and HO 27 - Home Office records

HO26
Home Office: Criminal Registers, Middlesex
Covering dates 1791-1849 (56 volumes)

HO27
Home Office: Criminal Registers, England and Wales
Covering dates 1805-1892 (223 volumes)


Ancestry are always rather coy about giving you the actual references of the records they are indexing. You have to go to The National Archives website to find out more.

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/news/stories/340.htm?WT.hp=nf-37983


Regards

Valda

[jemwinder]

hI

I looked on Ancestry.com and think ive found my GGG grandfather as he is missing from the 1871 census and i could not understand why then looked at the new Ancestry.com criminal register and found in 1868
Name:     Frederick Winder
Date of Trial:    24 Aug 1868
Trial Year:    1868
Location of Trial:    Middlesex, England
Sentence:    Imprisonment

Source Citation: Class: HO 27; Piece: 150; Page: 234

I looked at the scan and it said 14 years for Sheep Stealing.

How do i find out more from here?

I need to know where he was imprision, (he lived within a few yards of Pentonville Prison)
I also need to know his age and next of kin to prove he is actually my connection

please help with any ideas!

Many thanks

jeremy Winder

[Valda]

Hi

Please read my previous post and the links given to the guides that will give you further information on how to research criminal records.


Regards

Valda

[jemwinder]

HI Valda

Sorry i clicked on your links but did not read down at the bottom (additional Sources)

So ive clicked on that and it comes up with this (See below)

shows  Series details PCOM 2         

PCOM  Records created or inherited by the Prison Commission and Home Office Prison Department
 
 
Record Summary
Title Home Office and Prison Commission: Prisons Records, Series 1
Covering dates 1770-1951
Availability Open 
Held by The National Archives, Kew 
 
But there does not seem to be any further on the webpage, sometimes you see request info button to order the document, but nothing?

Sorry for being dim, but do i have to go in person to the TNA or is there a way of requesting a person to search a perticual year of these documents i.e 1868 Middlesex for a Frederick Winder

Many thanks

Jeremy


 
 
 
 

[Valda]

Hi Jeremy

You've read the link to The National Archives guide I gave

Criminals, Tracing 19th and 20th Century

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/RdLeaflet.asp?sLeafletID=120


another useful source is

David Hawkings book - Criminal Ancestors: A Guide to Historical Criminal Records in England and Wales


The links was to a guide. The vast proportion of the aound 100 miles of The National Archives records for the 1,000 years of documents they hold is not accessible online.  You will either have to visit TNA or since the trial was at the Middlesex sessions (the quarter sessions) the LMA which will also hold the calendar of prisoners which is a listing of prisoners pre and post trial and is probably the source you need to check first since it will give brief information about the prisoner e.g. age and previous form and (post trial) at least intially which priosn he was sent to.

PCOM2 is Home Office and Prison Commission: Prisons Records, Series 1 Covering dates 1770-1951 of  which 473 volumes of records, it is vast, contain some prison registers in volumes 1-441 (many prison registers are lost or held in county record offices) but without knowing which prison (and it may not be held in PCOM2 if it has survived at all) you can't know which volume of the records you want to search.


Have you any reason to believe your 3 x great grandfather had any connections with Middlesex since there may be other reasons you have not found him on the 1871 census? Prisoners were included in the censuses, though sometimes only with intisals. Have you found him on the 1881 census?



Regards

Valda

[jemwinder]

Hi

I can find Frederick Winder in 1851 son of Robert Winder a carcus Butcher in Red Lion Alley (which was near by Farringdon Tube/Cow Cross Street)

they all then dissapear so no sign in the 1861 or 1871. Frederick Winder then turns up 1881 married to Rosina (nee Hobbs) and i have him in 1891. 1901. 1911

But could never undertsand where he went during 61-81

I then looked at the new Criminal Registers on ancesty and there was a Frederick Winder put away in 1868 for 14 years or so.    So as the Winders moved to Islington Middelsex around 1860s when the Metropolitian cattle market opened (1855) I guessed it might be him as there are not many Frederick Winders in the census and none that ive seen in prison to make me think its not my ggg grandfather!

but being able to find his age of next of kin would be perfect

So i guess a trip to London may be in order

Many thanks


jeremy Winder

[jemwinder]

I thought i would follow up on my post in case any one else reads it and wonders where to look for more info,

today from a kind person in Australia she sent me Newpaper articles from the Times in 1868
they published the MIDDELSEX SESSIONS detailing what cases had come to the Session house in Clerkenwell, and the cases I was looking for is recorded there, every little detailsof why my relative was convicted of Sheep Rustling and Slaughering them at Kings Cross.

fasinating stuff..

Once i find out the actual website she found the articles on i will post it up

regards


jeremy