Where did Gt gt grandfather go ?

[jason 20]

I was lookin through the census records when i realised my gt gt grandfather was not at home in 1851.

His name was John Wileman born in Measham in 1815 and married Elizabeth Wileman 1814

they had George, Mary , John , Rose H and a few more but the rest were after the 1861 census
his profession is bricklayer and in 1841 was at home with Elizabeth and there daughter Mary, however 1851 Elizabeth is living at her in-laws Thomas and Mary Wileman and John is no where to be seen ? :-(

could he have popped to the pub and they missed him out ? i'm so confused

in 1861 the family had moved to Wolverhampton however they say in ST John's ward area and he is still a brick layer

Any clues would be most apreciated no matter how small

Kindest regards Jason

[dobfarm]

Hi

There could be alsorts of reasons john is not on the 51 cenus but Prison-Traveler-hidding- village stocks-out in the field bring in the hey sleeping out at night in the fields-run off with the vicars wife! your guess is as good as the rest!

As a gesture! of help! in your quest! a little on the Wileman's mame found on the net! Sorry as best I can do.

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/d/e/n/John-G-Denny/BOOK-0001/0003-0016.html



Joseph WILEMAN, born Bef. June 30, 1800. He was the son of 241. Ann WILEMAN. He married 121. Ann JONES April 12, 1814 in Measham.

      121. Ann JONES

More About Joseph WILEMAN:
Christening: June 30, 1800, Measham, LEI.
     
Children of Joseph WILEMAN and Ann JONES are:
  60 i.   William WILEMAN, born 1814 in Measham, Derby; married Mary SUMMERS October 10, 1829 in Measham, Derby.
   ii.   Elizabeth WILEMAN, born Bef. July 24, 1814.
  More About Elizabeth WILEMAN:
Christening: July 24, 1814, Measham, LEI.

 
   iii.   Samuel WILEMAN
   iv.   John WILEMAN, born Bef. November 5, 1820.
  More About John WILEMAN:
Christening: November 5, 1820, Measham, LEI.

 
   v.   Joseph WILEMAN, born Bef. August 11, 1822.
  More About Joseph WILEMAN:
Christening: August 11, 1822, Measham, LEI.

 
   vi.   Ann WILEMAN, born October 23, 1830.
  More About Ann WILEMAN:
Christening: October 23, 1830, Measham, LEI.

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/d/e/n/John-G-Denny/BOOK-0001/0003-0011.html

More About William WILEMAN:
Christening: November 5, 1815, Measham, LEI.

 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~blanchec/Stapstrays.htm#wit5
   Notes for Mary SUMMERS:
1881 Census:
Dwelling:
Census Place: Chilcote, Derby, England
Source: FHL Film 1341663 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 2769 Folio 130 Page 1
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
William WILEMAN M 67 M Measham, Derby, England
Rel: Head
Occ: Farmer Of 220 Acres Employing 2 Laborers 1 Boy

***
Mary WILEMAN M 65 F Norton Juxta, Derby, England
Rel: Wife
Occ: Farmers Wife
 http://sitesearch.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/st?words=WILEMAN+&op=Search


http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/DERBYSGEN/2000-10

Charles WILEMAN U 40 M Stretton Earlsfield, Derby, England
Rel: Son
Occ: Farmers Son
Joseph RUSHTON U 60 M Appleby Magna, Derby, England
Rel: Serv
Occ: Cowman (Ag Lab)
Clara E. STORER U 24 F Desford, Derby, England
Rel: Serv
Occ: Domestic Servant

   


Dobby


 

[danuslave]

Settle down Dobby!  The poor man was probably just working away somewhere 

Looking at the original image for 1851  Rose H  looks more like Rosannah

and Thomas is shown as a Widower

Linda

[dobfarm]

well you know what they say! While the vicars away his missis will play! Am off to bed!


http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,376065.0.html

[skewbald]

Jason, is John the bricklayer on other census returns?

Skewy

[dobfarm]

HI Skewy

Plot thinkens > family Names Maybe-Interesting for Jason. Well they used Jack for John !

Jackson Surname then middle name shortened to Jack then John down stream maybe! Have seen that.

Dobby

[skewbald]

Hi Dobby, with all the John wilemans born in Measham around that time coming up on the census, I did wonder if he was a serial bigamist.. 

Skewy

[dobfarm]

Hi

Sounds like my Gx4 G/dad! Started at 14 with step aunty 36. married 3 times going for the young lassies as he got older. lived to he was 98.

His desentants are numbered like Man Uniteds fan club!
 - - ...............................me 

Dobby 

[Jemma100]

Hi,

Don't know if you have found this already (as certain information I wasn't sure about, vicars and all that lol) but I found a John and Elizabeth Wileman on the 1851 census, living in Derbyshire.
He was born in Measham and 38 years old (c. 1813). He lived with wife and children Michael, Jemima, William and Georgianna. They also had a lodger.

Any chance these are them?