Stephen SANDS, thief

[Stovepipe]

Hi Sussex RootsChatters,

The criminal register for Sussex records a conviction for larceny against Stephen SANDS in the July 1823 session.  The date and place of the trial isn't given any more precisely, unfortunately.

I have an ancestor of that name in Sussex.  At the time he would have been aged about 32 and probably living in Burwash.  Does anyone have access to local papers of the time to check for a report of the conviction?  It'd be great to know the age and home village of the villain - the criminal register records nothing more than name, offence and sentence.

Stephen Sands was sentenced to 3 days imprisonment.  Every crime on his page of the register was larceny and nobody else got less than 1 month.  I wonder what he stole, a turnip?  Maybe his crime wasn't even worth reporting.

Cheers,
Stovepipe

[Ivy Rose]

I have a stray named Harriett Ann SANDS b1849 Burwash who married 1872 James BARTON, with whom she had 10 children. One, Charles b1877 Silverhill, married Beatrice Maud CROUCH. These are my great grandparents. If you have any luck with your Stephen and if Harriett rings a bell, I would love to hear from you.

[Stovepipe]

Hi Ivy,

Thanks for your reply.

I don't have any information on Harriet beyond her baptism record on the FamilySearch website. It tells me her father was Thomas - do you know who were her paternal grandparents?

Stovepipe

[Ivy Rose]

Sorry, as mentioned, she is one of my strays. I'll keep Stephen in mind going forward.

[sue9]

Hi Stovepipe

25/4/1823 Stephen Sands stole hop poles
11/12/1824 stephen Sands stole Wood
take a look on google books under crime,protest and popular politics in southern England.
page 222.
Sue9

[swebby]

Hi,

From 'The Victorian Village by John Coker Egerton'
'3 Sept.(1858) Sands Funeral. Mr Combs had a post mortem examination and found that the poor man had been a fearful sufferer.The poor will seldon allow such a thing as a post mortem but in this case I was thankful it was allowed as the man had been considered a shammer.'
 
In the notes for 1858 Agricultural Labourer Stephen Sands sixty-eight buried on the 4th (Sept).

About the right age for your Stephen.

Sean

[Stovepipe]

Many thanks, Sue & Sean - that's great information, the Burwash connection in the google book especially.

Thanks again,
Stovepipe

[omega 1]

Hello Stovepipe

Could this chap be your Villian ?

Baptised at Etchingham, 2 March 1791,son of Richard & Philadelphia.
This is a question mark  futher down the page by Parish.So its possible he was born Burwash but Baptised at Etchingham.

This is next door to Burwash.

From the SMI

At Cranbrook,Kent, on 20 Apr 1814,Stephen Sands from Etchingham & Charlotte Sanders.

Kind Regards

omega

[Stovepipe]

Hi Omega,

Yes, that's his baptism and first marriage (his second spouse is my ancestor). I guess his parents moved to Burwash some time after he was born - his younger siblings were baptised there, while he and the older siblings were baptised at Etchingham.

But whether or not he's the tea leaf really needs more information, ideally the age of the culprit. The Burwash connection provided by Sue is a strong indication, though.

Cheers,
Stovepipe