Mary Russell - Thornliebank Scotland

[velly]

Hello,

I am looking for a birth record for Mary Russell who was born in Thornliebank Scotland in approximately 1842.  Her parents are recorded on her death certificate as Marian Caddens and George Russell.

I've searched Scotland's People for her birth, their marriage and also in the census records but with no luck.  However, I'm not the biggest expert around so I'm not suggesting that's conclusive 

Any assistance much appreciated.  I hope that this is the right board and my Scottish geography is sound. 

Vickki

[Gadget]

Hi Vickki 

On the death cert does it say Marian  Russell M.S Caddens or just Marian Caddens. If it doesn't use the M.S., the Marian and George were probably not married.

In that case mary might have gone by her mother's surname for part of the time. You could try looking in the  the censuses under both names.

Thornliebank was in Renfrewshire but not that far from Lanarkshire.

I'll have a look on the censuses for you as well.


Gadget

[Gadget]

They look to be on the 1851 at

3 East Row, Thornliebank, Renfrew
562 ED 10 Page 3

Russell
George, 48, cotton dyer, b. Ireland
Mary, 38, b. Maybole, Ayr
William, 13, cotton printfield worker
James, 11, -do-
Mary, 9
Agnes, 7
Margaret , 5
Janet, 3
John, 2

all children b. Thornliebank


Gadget

[Gadget]

There doesn't appear to be a baptism record or a marriage record.

It could be that the family were not Church of Scotland and the children were baptized under a different faith.

There were different forms of marriage in Scotland and the only ones that are easily available are those performed by a Church of Scotland minister and entered in the Old Parish Records (OPRs) and, even then, not all the records are still available - missing, destroyed, not entered, etc.


Gadget

[Gadget]

Could you give Mary's death date and place and,  if she married, her married surname, please.

It will make it easier to trace her on the other censuses.


Gadget

[velly]

Hi Gadget,

Thanks for your unearthing. Is it not unusual to find her mother appearing as Mary instead of Marian?

Her death date: 19 November 1924  place: Newton, Auckland, New Zealand.  Her married name was Gordon (she married John Thomas Gordon on 25 December 1871).

Thanks so much.

Vickki

[Gadget]

I'm not having much luck finding deaths for George and Mary/Marion at the moment.

Did Mary marry in Scotland or New Zealand and when did she emmigrate?


Gadget

[velly]

Mary married in NZ in 1871.  Her death cert states she was in NZ for 60 years which would mean she emigrated in approx. 1864.

Vickki

[Gadget]

She must have still been in Scotland in 1861, if that's he case, but so far I'm not having much luck finding her, her parents or William, Agnes and Margaret 

I'm not sure how good the ships lists are at that time to check whether it was just Mary who came out  or whether she came with other family members.

I don't see a baptism for her mother in Maybole circa 1813 either. What religion was Mary?


Gadget