Please help me find out just who was Helen[Nellie] Loag's parents

[Brenda]

I really need some help to clear up the muddle I have got into re HELEN LOAG.

On her marriage cert to Robert McCracken [ son of John McCracken & Elizabeth Gibbon ] 10/06/1910  it states: Helen Loag, age 20 ,of Gartuck St Glasgow, parents Samuel Loag & Mary Ann Muir Murray.

The 1891 census shows her at Cadder with Samuel Loag & Mary Ann Muir Murray,[  age 8 months.]

Her death cert [16/03/1952 gives parents names as above ,however .... I have found a birth record for her [28/07/1890  ] Nellie Caw Loag or Smith. Mother Mary Martin Loag wife of William Smith...who she declares is NOT the father of the child and that she has had no communication from him since 1889??

Can anyone help straighten this out for me please?

I'm thinking that perhaps Samuel & Mary adopted her? If so it changes my husband's genealogy line somewhat 

[nelmit]

Hello Brenda,

I've searched poorhouse applications for this family before for somebody who enquired at TalkingScot - was it you? Unfortunately not all the previous posts there are up and running yet but hopefully they will be soon.

I'm afraid I don't think Nellie's birth was ever resolved properly but I do still have the poorhouse notes and will post them later today after work.

Regards,
Annette

[sancti]

Have you searched for a Mary Martin Loag or Smith on the 1891 census?

Perhaps she is Samuels sister and he brought up the child with his wife?

Do you have a marriage record for Samuel?

[MonicaL]

Hi All

I think Sancti is on the right track. Given the names, likely as Sancti suggest, that Mary Martin Loag (Smith) was Samuel's sister.

You probably have Samuel and Mary Ann Muir Murray's marriage cert. Were his parents Samuel L and Mary Martin who married in 1859? Amongst other children, you have a son Samuel b. 1868 (a first Samuel b. 1866 died likely) and a daughter Mary Martin Loag b. 1864. The marriage cert for Mary Martin Loag and William Smith will let you confirm the link back to this family.

Monica 

Added: Samuel Loag, in 1891, shows as born c. 1869 in Glasgow so would fit with the above scenario. There is also a death showing for a Mary Loag/Smith b. 1865 in 1940 Glasgow which could be related (likely marriage in 1883 in Glasgow).

[tootsiepie]

Methinks a chap named 'Caw' could perhaps be the father. If anyone has Anc. could they look up a male Caw aged 40 , Cadder, in 1891 census. (only male bet. 20 and 50 I think ,my age parameters on S.P.). and what the address is.

Also what was the re. dist. for Nellies birth?

[MonicaL]

Well spotted tootsiepie  Confusing entry though on Ancestry but the names are tantalising 

Hugh B Caw 40, Railway Storesman , b. Perth
Mary Caw 47 b. Glasgow
David Caw 6
William Caw 4
Mary M Caw 2
Mary Loag 26, step d? b. Glasgow

Address: Moodiesburn, Cadder Eastern District

First thought. I wonder if the Mary Caw is the Mary Martin who married Samuel Loag in 1859 but she looks too young (unless she lost some years along the way ).

There is a marriage between a Mary Martin and a Hugh Caw in 1882 in Glasgow....

Monica

[MonicaL]

Nellie's birth in 1890 shows in St Rollox.

Monica

[MonicaL]

There is a death of a Samuel Loag in 1880 in Glasgow (born c. 1836)...could this be Mary Martin's first husband and then she re-married in 1882 a Hugh Caw?

Monica

[tootsiepie]

I think you've got the right family , Monica.   Mary married William Smith in 1883, and so I wonder if these younger children are really Smiths..and Marys reverted to her maiden name. (Speculation   at this point), and her mother is bringing up children while young Mary works.

Maybe she just named young Nellie with the middle name 'Caw' out of respect.
The other option is  not quite so respectable.

I'd favour 1st option, as she is living in Hugh Caw's house (post Nellie's birth.)

edited to add last line.