Lloyd London Mystery

[fallingonabruise]

these are the 2 records on ancestry for Elizabeth and William
and the other is for a child that i'm trying to work out if she is JBL's daughter Ada who was on the 1851 census but I can't find any birth or death records, All their other children had long middle names so theres something about this one that has been niggling me, but i can't find any other records about this Ada Georgiana Elizabeth Lloyd (she was also buried at Kensal )

[dawnsh]

They are all in the same plot at Kensal Green, wonder why when they were living south of the river?

Trouble with Kensal Green is that the results are no more than an index, you'll need to contact the cemetery for more details such as an exact date (and while you're at it complain that you don't get much info for your money with DeceasedOnline)

Elizh Fairclough, of 5 Langton Place, buried 1844 plot 2807, register no 8121

Ada G E Lloyd, of 18 Gt Union St, buried 1853 plot 2807, register number is obscured by the spine of the book

William Farrclough (sic), of Upp Stamford St, buried plot 2807, register number 4169

I have reported the transcription error

[fallingonabruise]

oh wow thank you Dawn !!! my jaw is on the floor, that Ada is in the same grave,  how on earth did that come about ??
just need to go put the chickens to bed while this sinks in, i'm very confused but thank you so much for finding this !!!!

[MonicaL]

With Dawn's details on the burial etc, this must be Ada's statutory death index entry:

LLOYD, ADA  GEORGIANA ELIZABETH aged 3      
GRO Reference: 1853  D Quarter in ST GEORGE THE MARTYR SOUTHWARK  Volume 01D  Page 147

Monica

[fallingonabruise]

yeah just seen that Monica, good job it was pay day yesterday, I'm going to send for her certificate, still can't find any birth tho?

[fallingonabruise]

Just to add to the story , when Ada was dying in November 1853, John was in prison because of the case of 'The City of London Brewing and Malting Company' so poor Lavinia was dealing with it on her own 

[MonicaL]

Was it about this time, when JBL had appeared in front of a judge pleading mercy as his 'wife' (Lavinia) and children were impoverished and in dreadful circumstances. Also at this time, didn't wife (Eliza Vaughan Nightingale?) write to the court re her husband JBL?

Monica

[fallingonabruise]

that was in 1855, when his son Frederick aged 9 was dying or had just died
do you have any thoughts on why Ada would be in with Elizabeth? it was 10 years after she died, I still can't get my head around it lol

[MonicaL]

Been re-reading through. So much there isn't there in terms of potential leads for JBL's parents, Benjamin Lloyd and Elizabeth Collins.

One thing that has bothered me is that we have never really had anything much on JBL's first wife,  Elizabeth Vaughan Nightingale apart from early events. Then big gap whilst JBL was having children with Lavinia Cheatham. Then that letter received by the court mid 1850s from his wife - who we read as Elizabeth Vaughan Nightingale.

Summarising some of the key events for her:

Born 1810 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7T5-3L4 Likely illegitimate. From later records, father a George Vaughan, a baker and grocer from the Battersea area.

At the age of 16, she was "decoyed" by JBL from a stagecoach etc...This link gave us lots of background on this period www.rootschat.com/links/01kc8/

Married JBL in Cheam in 1829.

Had the following children:

1830 John Fairclough https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1J8-LYY = think you found a death for him?

1831 Elizabeth Vaughan https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NRF1-9Z9

1834 Benjamin https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J7CL-K84

1836 Henry Vaughan https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3KY-MR9

I have looked for Eliza and children in the censuses but never had any joy but really concentrated most on 1841 & 1851.

Just stretched out to 1871 and found this entry:

Elizabeth Lloyd, head, 60 and married. Baker employs one man b. Shoreditch
Elizabeth Waters, 39, married, daughter
Robert Waters, 44, son in law, gas engineer.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRJ6-897  Can't see the middle initial M for Elizabeth Snr on the original.

There is a marriage for a Elizabeth Lloyd and a Robert Waters in 1st Qrt 1853 in Islington - 1b/215.

Monica