Hugh Kirkwood of Belfast

[BJK]

Hi, i am looking for decsendents of Hugh Kirkwood from Belfast, NI. Hugh farmed land at Redhill, in the Finaghy area of Belfat. He was born 1784, he married a lady named Ann ?.Hugh was Elder at Malone Presbyterian Church, Belfast, he died in 1868 aged 84 years and is buried at the Malone Church yard. Known children were Hugh born 1826; William born 1821; John born 1831; Anne born 1819 married George Seale in 1845; Mary born 1820 married John Kirkwood in 1844. James born 1813, farmed at Drumbeg close to Lisburn.
Thanks
Will

[beluga07]

Hi Will,

I don't think we are the same line, but we might well have relations in common at some point in our trees. The Hugh name, plus the Malone Presbyterian and Andersonstown connections from your previous post, make me think we must have some connection somewhere.
 
I am only just starting out on this, but I *think* I am descended from a Hugh Kirkwood born approx 1829. This Hugh was born 14/08/1829 at St Patricks in Belfast to Thomas Kirkwood and Rachael Tellfare? (surname unclear).

I am trying to confirm much of this but at present I believe my Hugh jnr married an Agnes Kirkwood (no relation) around 1864 at Malone Presbyterian, and had my great grandfather Thomas in 1867 (along with George 1866, William 1869, another William 1871 (so assume 1869 William died very young), Mary Ann in 1873, and David in 1875).

A Hugh, along with a Thomas and also a James (who I had though must have been Hugh's brother - he is living with Thomas and his wife at the time of the 1911 Census, aged 67) are all listed as farmers in Andersonstown in 1880.

What do you think? Any possibility we are talking about some of the same people?
Regards,
Heather

[kingskerswell]

Heather,
            I did a parent search on the IGI on www.familysearch.org (enter parents'names only with location) and found two more children for Hugh and Agnes Lockwood, married 19 Feb 1864.
Hugh McCance born 2 Dec 1864, Ballygomartin, Antrim
Margaret          Born 23 Nov 1879, Roseland Falls, Antrim

Regards

[beluga07]

Many thanks for that search kingskerswell.
That's very helpful! I just had a look myself at John McCance (not Hugh) and Margaret. They certainly appear to be two more children for Hugh and Agnes Kirkwood.
I'm still not yet sure this is my line, but its another piece in the puzzle...
Thank you again for your help.

[BJK]

Hi Heather,
Thanks for posting. A lot of the names you mention in your post are familiar to me. Your great grandfather Thomas and my great grandfather David Alexander were brothers. Hugh and Agnes are my great great grandparents.
Interesting information about Hugh's date of birth and his parents, may i ask were you got this information. My info suggests Hugh was born 1827 to parents Thomas and Mary Ann, but my info hasnt yet been proven. When you say St Patricks were exactly do you mean?
By the way the Hugh Kirkwood i originally posted the message about is supposed to be a brother of Thomas Kirkwood (Hugh's father).
Keep in touch, i think we could help each other.
Regards
Will

[beluga07]

Hello Will,
Its nice to find someone researching the same line - I have struggled a little in the dark on this one. That said,  while I do know that my Thomas was born circa 1867 and that seems to suggest Hugh and Agnes would be the parents, as I haven't found any other Thomases of the same age, I haven't seen Thomas' birth or death certs, so can't be certain I have found the right line yet. I'm a long way from Belfast (otherside of the world actually!) so only working from online records at the moment.

I had originally assumed James was Thomas' father. As I said in my previous reply, he is living with my Thomas in 1911, along with his wife Elizabeth. But James and Elizabeth's children don't include a Thomas, so I am working on the basis that he was an uncle, for the time being. I don't suppose you have come across any info to confirm that James (born circa 1844) might also be a brother to Thomas snr and Hugh snr? It would fit with the 1880 directory information for Andersonstown.

As for Hugh's birth - 1827 or 1829? I looked at the pay per view birth records and marriage records from Emerald Ancestors, which is where I got Thomas and Rachael as the parents. I'll PM you more details. Certainly very happy to find out if I'm looking at the wrong people! Like I say, I haven't seen any originals myself. The only original document I have so far is my grandfather's death certificate which lists Thomas Kirkwood and Mary Mulligan as his parents - but I haven't been able to find any marriage between these two yet... As I said, it's early days in my research!

Regards,
Heather

[BJK]

Hi Heather,
Thanks for your messages. I think there are crossed wires somewhere. The Hugh Kirkwood born in 1829 im pretty sure that he isnt the Hugh Kirkwood who married Agnes in 1864. The Hugh who married at Malone Presb. was from a strong Presbyterian back ground. Thomas Kirkwood, the son of Hugh and Agnes was born 18 November 1867. His wife was Jane Agnew, and they married in 1906.
Now the farmers at Andersonstown you mentioned; Thomas , Hugh , and James. Thomas and Hugh were father and son, as for Thomas and James, not sure but they may have been brothers.
This will give you more to think about.
Regards
Will

[beluga07]

Well I never was sure it was the same line - and now I know! Thank you.
Although it would have been nicer to find out we were researching the same line, at least I now know I need look elsewhere now for my Thomas Kirkwood.
Best wishes - and if you do stumble across another Thomas c 1867/1868, please do let me know!
Heather

[BJK]

Hi Heather,
Sorry your enquiry didnt lead anywhere. It is a problem i have had many times carrying out family research. Too many people with the same christian names in those days! I am based in county Down, so when i visit PRONI in the future i will have a look for your Thomas. In the mean time i wish you luck in your search.
Regards
Will