What does this mean on a marriage cert?

[Gadget]

Nearest that I can find on the 1841 is a William and Jean McMillan, both aged 20-24, living Firchfield Street, Kilmarnock, both b. Ayrshire. William was a Calico Printer App.  Not sure if it is them but maybe Hazel can confirm.

Strange as I've looked at so many OPR marriage entries over the years but haven't come across this before.

Gadget

[hmcmillan29]

Hi Lesley and Gadget,


Gadget, you are quite correct with the 1841 census and you have located the right family.

Lesley, I have them on the 1861 census still living in Kilmarnock.  I cant find them as yet on the 1871, but by 1881, they are now in Beith.
Their children were born between 1842-1856 all b Kilmarnock,not sure about christenings...will need to check and confirm that.

Thank you both for taking an interest.  I am learning lots through you both.

Best wishes
Hazel

[lbathgate]

Hi Hazel & Gadget

On well, that is not what I was expecting. 

I still believe an "extract" is a copy of the marriage lines, written at the time of, or shortly after the event, but will obviously need to dig up some further proof from somewhere!

As a matter of interest, what are the names of the children to this couple? I'm seeing a Jeanie George McMillan on IGI who was b. 19 August in 1856 at Kilmarnock but I'd be interested to know of any earlier children.

Best wishes
Lesley

[hmcmillan29]

Hi Lesley,

You very kind to help me so once again, thank you for taking an interest.

The names of the other children are Robert Young McMillan b 1842,  William b 1846,  John b 1848 and Jeanie George b 1856.
I am descended from Robert. 

When i read their parents death certificates, both of them had the same informant....Alexander McMillan, Son.
He is still a mystery to me, so I dont have any info of his existance, apart from the info from death certs.

Many thanks
Hazel

[lbathgate]

Hi Hazel

Sorry to ask so many questions, but where did you find the years of birth for the children? Do you have actual dates  - days and months, or are they based on what you have found in census data?

Do you know where they are in the 1851 census?

Best wishes
Lelsey

[hmcmillan29]

Hi Lesley,

I took the names from the census records, so I have no actual dates apart from Jeanie George. 
I have Robert Young McMillans marriage certificate and it said he was 27 years old and the cert was dated 1869.

Im afraid I have not been able to locate them on the 1851 census yet, but Im trawling through them just now in the hope of finding them, so I will let you know what I come up with.

Kindest regards
Hazel

[hmcmillan29]

Hi Lesley,

The family are still in Kilmarnock on the 1851 and 61 census.

There was a kind chap called Jonn who found that out for me.  I have another post on "Ayrshire" re Margaret McMillan ms Thomson, to which he found out about the census returns.  He had been searching his own ancestors in Ayrshire also McMillan and has discs of  the details.

Best wishes
Hazel

[Gadget]

Hi Hazel and Lesley

I've been on SP but can't find any baptisms for the children pre 1855. Only one showing on the IGI is the Jeanie George one.

I used wildcards and variations. I may have missed a trick but I usually find them if they're there


Gadget

[lbathgate]

Hi Gadget

I've been on SP but can't find any baptisms for the children pre 1855. Only one showing on the IGI is the Jeanie George one.

That is exactly what I have been finding, ...or not finding! It seems very odd. There are OPRs for Kilmarnock on IGI, batch C115975 covering the years 1819-1854, and listing some McMillans, but not the correct ones. No sign on SP either. Odd.

The only thing I can think at the moment is that they were maybe part of a breakaway church after 1840, e.g. the Free Church. Hazel; do you have any later (post 1855) marriages for the family members in Scotland?
e.g. in the other post on this family which you mentioned:

Margaret Thomson.... married Robert Young McMillan 4 June 1869 in Kilmarnock.

In the first column, which church is stated?

Best wishes
Lesley