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Re: missing link
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 13 August 09 19:38 BST (UK) »
Hi,

The simplest explanation would be that  GCPL is the son of Charles Pratt Living who died in 1817. Obviously, absent birth or christening records, it can't be proven.

IGI does show a George Pratt christened May 31, 1801 son of Charles and Elizabeth.  St. Saviour Southwark.  The year is right, the place is kind of right, and the name is sort of right ::) ::) 

Have you seen the 1823 marriage record or checked with the Surrey Index re: possible notes or a mention of witnesses to the wedding?

Jann


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Re: missing link
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 13 August 09 20:48 BST (UK) »
Hi

But it doesn't fit with his age on death, or his surname of Living not Pratt, or the name of Charles Pratt Living's wife - Polly, who outlived him by 21 years.

Death registration in New South Wales
1846  LIVING  GEORGE C P  AGE 53

Giving a birth year of circa 1793 which would just fit with this marriage

CHARLES PRATT LIVING 
POLLY MILLEST 
Marriage:  10 MAY 1792   Saint Paul Covent Garden, Westminster, London

LIVINGS, Charles Pratt   
Christening Date:29 Apr 1764   Chertsey, Surrey
Father:John LIVINGS
Mother:Ann

But Charles Pratt Living had 4 male siblings all baptised in Chertsey (including one called George) and anyone of the older siblings, if they survived childhood and married (no burials in the Chertsey registers) could also presumably have chosen to name one of their sons after their brother/s, and other than Nathaniel you would expect them to have all married before Charles Pratt Living since they were older than him. Since Charles didn't marry until he was 29 even Nathaniel could have married before him.

Thomas 6/3/1754
George 18/3/1756 possible PCC will 1837 - gentleman of Vauxhall (Lambeth)
Richard 17/9/1758
Nathaniel 17/7/1767 possible on the 1841 census in Southwark aged 70 (1841 census adult ages rounded down to the nearest 5) a clerk, born Surrey.

Possible marriages
Thomas 1782 to Mary Adams , St Michael Brassishaw City of London
George 1786 to Jane Page (of St Mary Lambeth), All Hallows Lombard Street City of London

You might have expected if he was the son of Charles Pratt Living that Charles' will in 1817 would have made that clear or in Charles' widow's will.

Will of Polly Living, Widow of Chertsey , Surrey 19 January 1838 PROB 11/1889

Since it isn't obvious from Charles' will (though the Death Duty registers for the will would specify the relationship) it isn't at this point a simple explanation without further evidence from other Living wills such as Polly's and possibly as a longer shot's George's, the Death Duty registers or

'East India Company Mercantile Marine Baptism Certificates
Baptism certificates and certificates of age for marine officers 1780-1820: L/MAR/C/669-670. Both volumes are indexed'.
since he served as a Captian in the company fleet.

All of which could help prove who his father was regardless of whether a baptism entry in a register is ever found.

Any of his uncles could have witnessed his marriage. The only brother that for sure was dead by 1823 was Charles.
Unfortunately the Surrey marriage index does not cover parishes in the metropolitan area of Surrey such as Southwark and Lambeth.


At this point the simpliest answer might be he is the son of brother George not Charles.



Regards

Valda
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Re: missing link completed with thanks
« Reply #11 on: Monday 04 February 13 13:27 GMT (UK) »
Three years on and new to rootschat I have the information on the link between Charles Pratt Living and George Charles Pratt Living if people are still looking for it :-)

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Re: missing link completed with thanks
« Reply #12 on: Monday 04 February 13 13:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi Silentmolly
Welcome to rootschat. My mother is a living and we have traced her tree back to John Living b.1720.Her direct line is his son Richard b.1758 but whilst looking at the livings we came across GC Pratt Living marrying a Harriett Courage ( of the brewery line ) also seems he was a captain and had a fine life. We were unable to find the link to Charles Pratt B.1762 and have no idea at all as to where the Pratt name comes from Any info you have we would love to see and vis-a-versa happy to share any living info we have if you are interested
Kind regards
Ian


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Re: missing link completed with thanks
« Reply #13 on: Monday 04 February 13 13:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ian, are you on ancestry.co.uk? I've just done a branch of a tree there which will show you how GCPL and CPL are connected. There's also a fine photo of GCPL's son John and his family in Australia here http://bonzle.com/c/a?a=pic&fn=k41kug7t&s=3

I'm not a relation - just happened to be researching something when I came across messages from confused Living descendants!

If you can't access ancestry.co.uk let me know and we'll figure out another way. Alys