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Need help, please!
« on: Sunday 02 August 09 14:45 BST (UK) »
I am in need of help to find my g.grandfather in censuses prior to 1881. He was married 6 times, which comlicates things.
His name was Thomas Moss , born about 1817 in Lamberwood Green, Wigan. I believe he stayed in the area all his life.
In 1841 and 1851 I think he was married to Susannah, born c.1820 in Wigan.
In 1861 I think his wife's name was Ann, born c.1836 in Wigan.
In 1871 he was married to Esther, born c.1835 in West Houghton, Lancs.

It would be helpful if you could tell me the names of any children, so that I can hopefully sort ut who belongs to who!

I would be so grateful if anyone can trace him.
Ellison/Rogers/Pilkington/Wood(s)Moss/Mawdsley/Keegin (Keegan,Keagan,Keegen)
Orange/Morrisroe/Webster/Hoole/Shaw/Hague/Herbert
Hurt/Turner/Dean

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« Reply #1 on: Sunday 02 August 09 16:17 BST (UK) »
Hi,

1871 (I hope)

Moss`s Houses, Grocers Shop, New Springs, Aspull

Thomas Moss, Head, M, 50, Provision Dealer, Lamberhead Green
Esther, Wife, M, 36, Westhoughton
John, Son, 13, Assitant to Hookon in Coal Mine, Haigh
Alice, Daur, 6, Scholar, Aspull
William, Son, 2, Aspull
Joseph, Son, 7 months, Aspull

RG10/3882 folio 9 page 12

Regards,
Mo
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« Reply #2 on: Monday 03 August 09 14:21 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Found this - may be of use to you.

Marriage 13 Jan 1868 at Saint George, Wigan

Thomas Moss (X) Full,Engine Tenter Widower of Whelley
Esther Mawdsley Full Spinster of Whelley
Brides Father - Farmer ?
Witness - Thomas Hodkinson, Ellen Hodkinson (X)

Regards

John

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« Reply #3 on: Monday 03 August 09 14:44 BST (UK) »
 Marriage to Susannah Cartwright in 1838 All Saints Wigan
Death Susannah Moss age 33 1854

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Braithwaite,Roney,Hartley,Jackson,Reed, Cumberland /Westmorland .Livesey,Hartley,Taylor,Sefton,Harrison,Knowles,Lancashire.Bottomley,Schofield,Woodhouse ,Hobson ,Norcliffe  and Hartley West Yorkshire.Bottomley Dumfrieshire and Lanarkshire.Pinder ,Warwickshire.Kisby ,Cambridgeshire

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« Reply #4 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 08:50 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Many thanks, everyone. Sorry I'm only just replying -we had a small family crisis.

Mo, I'm sure you have the correct family. My grandfather's name was Joseph and the age fits. Also I know he was born in Aspull.

Thanks, John, for the marriage of Thomas and Esther. Do you know whereabouts in Wigan St. George's is/was?

Dotty, that marriage to Susannah would mean he would appear with her on the 1841 and 1851 census. It would be great if someone could find her.

Thanks again, Margaret
Ellison/Rogers/Pilkington/Wood(s)Moss/Mawdsley/Keegin (Keegan,Keagan,Keegen)
Orange/Morrisroe/Webster/Hoole/Shaw/Hague/Herbert
Hurt/Turner/Dean

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« Reply #5 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 12:33 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Found this :

St George C of E - 11 Peel Hall Avenue, Tyldesley, Wigan

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« Reply #6 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 14:03 BST (UK) »
Hello

I think this might be the family of the Thomas Moss who married Susannah ...

1851

Wigan HO107/2200 Folio 527 Page 25

Thomas Moss Head M 33 Engineer Lancashire Pemberton
Susannah do Wife M 30 Lancashire Croft
Margaret do Daur U 12 Hand Loom Weaver Lancashire Orrell
Ann do Daur U 10 Winder Lancashire Pemberton
Thomas do Son 8 Scholar Lancashire Winstanley
Margery do Daur 6 At Home Lancashire Winstanley
Mary do Daur 4 Lancashire Pemberton
William do Son 2 Lancashire Pemberton
Ellen do Daur 6mo Lancashire Pemberton

New Street, Pemberton

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« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 14:08 BST (UK) »
This Thomas was not married to Ann in 1861, it was Dorothy (Fletcher probably) !!!

1861

Wigan RG9/2772 Folio 16 Page 26

Thomas Moss Head M 42 Engineer Pemberton Lancs
Dorothy do Wife M 39 Ince Lancs
Margaret do Daur U 21 Factory Opp Orrell Lancs
Ann do Daur 19 Factory Opp Orrell Lancs
Thomas do Son 18 Engineer Orrell Lancs
Margaret* do Daur 15 Factory Oppr Winstanley Lancs
Mary do Daur 14 Scholar Pemberton Lancs
Ellen do Daur 10 Scholar Pemberton Lancs

Willow Trees, Whelley

*It says Margaret but I think it should have been Margery

I cannot immediately see any conclusive evidence to prove that this Thomas and the one that Mo found in 1871 are the same person .... but he seems to be the most likely candidate based on the census entries that are available.

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« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 15:00 BST (UK) »
Thanks again. I can now start to sort out the children. I didn't relise he had so many. I am descended from his last marriage (Esther) and he had another 4 with her.
Family tradition says he was married 6 times, so maybe there are another 2 wives somewhere!

John, I will have a look where Tyldesley is and maybe can find more clues.
Ellison/Rogers/Pilkington/Wood(s)Moss/Mawdsley/Keegin (Keegan,Keagan,Keegen)
Orange/Morrisroe/Webster/Hoole/Shaw/Hague/Herbert
Hurt/Turner/Dean